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Help! St Richard Reynolds Twickenham OR St Mark's Hounslow???

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ZingyHiker · 03/10/2024 14:41

My DH and I are in a complete conumdrum. We live in Richmond borough, are Catholic and have one DC in Y6 and another in Y5. We're exploring secondary schools and are spoiled for choice in our area. It's brilliant but we're a bit spoiled for choice. We've ruled out St Paul's in Sunbury. We LOVED it when we visited but it's just too much of a journey every day for our DCs. We want them to go to the same school (one's a boy, one's a girl) so we're between St Richard Reynolds and St Mark's. Both seem excellent but very different.

Their open evenings were both last night. Crazy they had them on the same evening but we chose to go to St Richard Reynolds as we have been to St Mark's twice so far. This was our second visit to SRR and we did really like it. We really like St Mark's too. These are our pros and cons.

SRR

  • really vibrant and happy school
  • incredible extra curricular but sport is a bit rubbish. especially for girls.
  • loved the music focus
  • students and teachers all seemed brilliant and very happy. really attracted to their whole child education ethos
  • great exam results but still not as great as surrounding schools
  • hate hate hated how short to many of the girls wore their skirts. it put us off a lot. A girl showing my friend around was wearing bright silver eye liner too. she must only have been 13 and it didn't seem right for school. My OH said it could be a deal breaker for him sending our two to the school but I want to ask the school and anyone here who knows what they think
  • the school itself was beautiful. My Y5 DC is very creative and the head of art and his studio classroom was gorgeous
  • the school is very proud of how pastoral it is and you can certainly see this in how happy and confident the pupils we saw around the school seemed to be. Saying this is discipline a thing or is it a bit to free and easy there?

St Marks

  • Wow but they get good exam results. It would be really tempting to put this down as our first choice on this aspect alone
  • We were shown around by sixth formers on our visit but couldn't get much out of them about when we asked if they had been happy at the school. they seemed to have a script that they didn't want to go off. They were well spoken and seemed very ambitious about univerisity
  • The students were super well behaved. In every classroom we visited they all stood up. Eveyrone was very well dressed and smart. No skirt rolling
  • Sport was even worse than SRR and they don't have as much extra curricular going on but we spoke to some kids who were raving about the theatre club and they do have a professional looking theatre
  • I know the school had a big issue with bullying and a parent on our tour asked about a serious sounding sexual assault a couple of years ago but we were told the school is very focused on anti-bulling etc so that's not a problem. should we be worried. this is our red line on the school of course
  • No offence to anyone who is reading this and lives there but we are worried about our two going in and out of Hounslow every day. especially if they have a club or sports after school

Reading this back it sounds as if SRR is winning out but we're just not sure. They are both incredible schools I think and I hope our two will be happy at which ever one we choose. We are speaking to other families with experience of the schools but if anyone here has anything else to add I would love to hear it. Thanks a million.

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catoncatan · 04/10/2024 13:08

Which deanery do you live in? It seems that St Marks prioritises applicants by distance in each oversubscription category, but with the following weighting:
Hounslow Deanery 65%
Hillingdon Deanery 10%
Upper Thames Deanery 15%
Ealing Deanery 10%

... whereas SRR prioritises by lottery within Southwark and Westminster deaneries.

I know you still need to put them in order of preference, but it might not be worth sweating over a foregone conclusion.

Also, you may not get into either, so you might want to keep St Paul's on your list if a Catholic school is the priority.

catoncatan · 04/10/2024 13:21

By the way, what you wrote about Hounslow is offensive. Writing "no offense but ..." at the start of the sentence doesn't change that.

ZingyHiker · 04/10/2024 15:06

We're Upper Thames. Westminster and Southwark are the diocese and not the deaneries. sorry if that's offended you too and as for Hounslow, it is as sketchy an area as they come so yes and crime is much higher than Ealing, Twickenham, Sunbury and just about any other area where we might send our brilliant DCs to school on a bus or a train. by themselves in the hope they don't get mugged or worse.

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TheGoldenGate · 06/10/2024 01:17

ZingyHiker · 04/10/2024 15:06

We're Upper Thames. Westminster and Southwark are the diocese and not the deaneries. sorry if that's offended you too and as for Hounslow, it is as sketchy an area as they come so yes and crime is much higher than Ealing, Twickenham, Sunbury and just about any other area where we might send our brilliant DCs to school on a bus or a train. by themselves in the hope they don't get mugged or worse.

Each of those schools accepts from the very specific parishes, in the order as they are listed. Unless the school you apply to lists your parish you have zero chance to get in because they are oversubscribed. SRR is doing lottery among the Catholic kids from listed parishes. St Pauls decided to go slightly above PAN to accommodate all Catholic kids from the listed Parishes.

SRRC:

priority is given
to baptised Catholic children who are resident in the
parishes of Our Lady Queen of Peace, East Sheen;
Sacred Heart, Teddington; St Edmund of Canterbury,
Whitton; St Elizabeth of Portugal, Richmond; St Francis de Sales, Hampton; St James, Twickenham; St Margaret of
Scotland, East Twickenham; St Mary Magdalen, Mortlake;
St Osmund, Barnes; St Theodore, Hampton; St Thomas
Aquinas, Ham and Our Lady of Loreto and St Winefride, Kew

Is your parish listed above? If not. No chance.
For St Paul's is the image below. Same, if your parish is not listed just forget it.

Check specific parishes that are for St Mark.

I live in Hampton Hill and we were lucky to have a choice between SRRC and St Paul's. St Mark would not accept us and I wasn't even considering it as i heard a lot of stories. We decided on St Paul's because it had larger site and better results than SRRC. SRRC is a smaller school and also include primary on site. Something that is not visible during the tours. Both schools are a part of the same trust

St Pauls that my DS attends is absolutely amazing school. A very charismatic headmaster, very dedicated and organised staff members, right values. I am very very pleased sith our choice. More pleased than I expected to be honest. They have outstanding mark in each category, in top 100 state schools for GCSE results and every year even better. Progress 8 is nearly 0.90. They make miracles with very average kids. My son is in top sets and is thriving there.

TheGoldenGate · 06/10/2024 01:18

Forgot st Paul's parishes:

Help! St Richard Reynolds Twickenham OR St Mark's Hounslow???
TheGoldenGate · 06/10/2024 01:30
  • hate hate hated how short to many of the girls wore their skirts. it put us off a lot. A girl showing my friend around was wearing bright silver eye liner too. she must only have been 13 and it didn't seem right for school. My OH said it could be a deal breaker for him sending our two to the school but I want to ask the school and anyone here who knows what they think

I would strongly recommend reading historical posts here at mumsnet about SRRC. They are mentioning the same as above.

I have not observed any rolling skirt at St Paul's. The school is very strict with uniform and in general the discipline.
Very sporty kid would thrive there but also very academic. Amazing school

EdgarAllenRaven · 06/10/2024 02:44

I’ve noticed the teeny short skirts in other schools in the area (Orleans Park and Waldegrave), it must be some kind of trend in Twickenham…?! Also found it massively off-putting!

catoncatan · 06/10/2024 10:13

I gather it's a post-"me too" fashion. Skirts have gone shorter in defiance - when teachers call it out they are faced with "why are you looking?" or "why are you sexualising my outfit?" and schools get similar responses from some parents, in addition to "If you've got it, flaunt it". It's a power thing.

The fashion will end eventually - it perhaps needs parent of younger girls to point out to their daughters (while they still have some influence) how tacky it looks and how the bunched up waist bands are very unflattering.

TheGoldenGate · 06/10/2024 10:25

also found the admission details from St Mark last year that will give you more overview as for chances to get in: from Upper Thames the furthest accepted Catholic child was living 4.892 miles. Click on the image to expand it to see the detail.

Btw, consider Gumley school for your daughter- top notch school

Help! St Richard Reynolds Twickenham OR St Mark's Hounslow???
LuckyLunaontherocks · 16/10/2024 11:04

I may be too late to reply to the OP's request - if you've sent their local authority request in - but if not, I'm thinking you may live locally to me and your children may attend the same primary school as mine. In which case, if you take a look on the website at where Y6s head off to each year, there's not a lot in it between St. Mark's and SRRCC. I feel your pain making the tough choice, however, we found talking to the head of our children's primary really helpful. She was very fair about - and a cheerleader - for both schools (as well as St. Paul's and Gumley House, another two excellent schools, where just a few of the cohort head off to each year) - but her advice helped us come down on the side of SRRCC. We're glad she did. Our children are very happy there but yes, the school does have its faults.

On the whole, discipline is very good, bullying is not a problem and the teaching - as others have said - is excellent. Where the school does fall down is that it's not quite strict enough to allow for the awful truth that there are some terribly entitled parents who seem to think the uniform rules - as well as taking in contraband items such as headphones, or wearing make-up - do not apply to their free-thinking, darling children. The school issues negative points and detentions for the plethora of skirt rollers and mickey takers, but if the parents aren't acting on these and ensuing their children stick to the school's policies there's only so much the school can do. It's not pleasant for the students who do abide by the rules however.

I did read on another SRRCC thread about a child who was getting harassed by other girls for not rolling her skirt up, and this happens to my daughter (resolutely unrolled skirt, just above the knee) on pretty much a weekly basis. It exhausts her. I'd love for the school to address this aspect of behaviour as it tips it all into something truly uncomfortable for those students who do conform. I wonder if the school management have got their collective heads in the sand here?

I have friends with children at St. Mark's and I truly believe the major difference between the two is demographics and how the families (many of whom are first generation immigrants) value education and respect the rules/boundaries the school sets. It's great you picked up on how happy the students are at SRRCC, however, seeing some of our children's more feral friends, we do sigh sometimes and wish the school would lose a little of the 'love' in their motto and help the students understand that in the real world of work that will be upon all the students before long, there are rules and standards; that the world won't think them as special as they and their parents believe themselves to be; there are repercussions to be had from rule bending. I think this is something St. Mark's excel at.

I could go on. In short, however, if you send your children to SRRCC with the message that YOU won't put up with micro skirts, etc, they will thrive. It's mostly a terrific school. Outstanding in fact. OFSTED were not wrong on this one.

From what I hear of St. Mark's, it has its fair share of problems too - and nope, I wouldn't have wanted my children leaving an after school club at 4 pm in December and travelling through Hounslow (I grew up in Hounslow and I definitely wasn't offended by your comment) - and although I think they've improved their game on the pastoral side, the emphasis does appear to be on getting their sixth formers into Oxbridge than ensuring the whole school is safe for all. That's just my opinion, however, and there's nothing wrong with ambition. I only really know about the school through hearsay and chatter but it does sound wonderful too, albeit very different to SRRCC.

Friends with children at St. Mark's seem just as happy those at SRRCC, so you won't go far wrong with either, I think. Talk to your primary head. If it's who I think it is, you'll be well supported to make the right decision for YOUR children. If, IF, you could stretch to putting St. Paul's down on your list and found a way to get your children to Sunbury every day, it sounds like you'd be ecstatic about it. They seem to be getting everything right INCLUDING their sport provision. It might be nuts to rule it out when it is so good right now.

One final thing to add, however, is: it's anticipated that all good state schools in Richmond will be affected by the numbers who might have considered private school for their children but who the added VAT on school fees will be just too much. SRRCC is always over subscribed but it might be a bit trickier from here on out to gain a place. St. Paul's will probably suffer too, but St. Mark's less so. There's not much any of us can do about this but if you get St. Mark's over SRRCC because it all goes crazy next year, your children will still be in a wonderful place. God bless them on their journey, and you.

VRLondon · 16/10/2024 14:53

This is really useful, thank you all for sharing. My Daughter is year 5 and we are starting looking for secondary school. Out catchment one is St Paul but I do like the very academic side of St Mark, however , also worried about where it is situated and having my Daughter walking on her own at 4 pm in December ..

still have a year to decide but all this info is very useful thanks again x

VRLondon · 07/10/2025 06:12

Any update on this ? Did u get the school you wished for and are you happy ?
would love some more recent feedbacks on st Mark and st Paul .
Thank you !

TheGoldenGate · 12/10/2025 10:50

VRLondon · 16/10/2024 14:53

This is really useful, thank you all for sharing. My Daughter is year 5 and we are starting looking for secondary school. Out catchment one is St Paul but I do like the very academic side of St Mark, however , also worried about where it is situated and having my Daughter walking on her own at 4 pm in December ..

still have a year to decide but all this info is very useful thanks again x

Gumley school would be much better for her.

VRLondon · 13/10/2025 12:30

TheGoldenGate · 12/10/2025 10:50

Gumley school would be much better for her.

Why is that ?
it is far for us but could potentially consider it.

TheGoldenGate · 19/10/2025 09:20

VRLondon · 13/10/2025 12:30

Why is that ?
it is far for us but could potentially consider it.

Kids behavior is much better in Gumley. My son is in St Paul's Sunbury, and I have friends who have kids in SRRC Gumley ans St Mark. From all those I would send In the following order ( assuming it is a girl ): St Paul's, Gumley, SRRC, St Mark. One of my friend's live near St Mark but she ensured her DD goes to Gumley as she knows the teachers from St Mark. Teaching provision at St Mark is very good but...

VRLondon · 19/10/2025 09:54

Really? Interesting .. we r near St Paul but always bern told behaviour better at St Mark .

thank you

TheGoldenGate · 19/10/2025 10:28

VRLondon · 19/10/2025 09:54

Really? Interesting .. we r near St Paul but always bern told behaviour better at St Mark .

thank you

I really wouldn’t want to share stories I’ve heard from parents whose children attend St Mark’s, because the teachers and headmaster there genuinely put in a lot of effort. Of course, children are children and incidents can happen in any school, but the major factor is the different demographics.

St Paul’s, on the other hand, is extremely strict. You can get warnings even for saying something to a child sitting next to you. Two warnings mean detention, then exit and more serious misbehavior can lead to isolation. There is a strict uniform policy. They also give a lot of homework and the results speak it all. It is in the top 100 state schools when it comes to results. And I have comparison with Turing, Teddington School, Orlean's, Hampton High too as my son's peers are attending these schools. The state schools in the area are far more relaxed when it comes to the behaviour.

VRLondon · 19/10/2025 10:40

Thank you appreciate it x
will give some thoughts about it all.

TheGoldenGate · 19/10/2025 10:41

VRLondon · 19/10/2025 10:40

Thank you appreciate it x
will give some thoughts about it all.

If you have any questions you can PM me:)

catoncatan · 19/10/2025 10:56

"The state schools in the area are far more relaxed when it comes to the behaviour."

These are all state schools. RC schools are state schools too. You mean non-faith schools.

All schools have behaviour policies, some stricter than others, and some more strictly and consistently applied than others. In the same school some teachers can apply policy more strictly than others. Some parents like it strict, others don't. Some parents think they like it strict until their child is disciplined, and then they complain.

@VRLondon for all these reasons, don't fall into the trap of making decisions based on 'stories' from one poster's friends.

TheGoldenGate · 19/10/2025 21:55

catoncatan · 19/10/2025 10:56

"The state schools in the area are far more relaxed when it comes to the behaviour."

These are all state schools. RC schools are state schools too. You mean non-faith schools.

All schools have behaviour policies, some stricter than others, and some more strictly and consistently applied than others. In the same school some teachers can apply policy more strictly than others. Some parents like it strict, others don't. Some parents think they like it strict until their child is disciplined, and then they complain.

@VRLondon for all these reasons, don't fall into the trap of making decisions based on 'stories' from one poster's friends.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

My child is at St Paul's and I am a first hand source of information about this school and not my friend, and also I was exactly faced with the same choices and exactly the same research at the end of y6 as I live in the same area. That said... What are you actually bringing to the table, dear?

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