Behaviour pie charts Year 7

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Anyone else have these? Green and red. Positive and negative behaviour points make up the pie chart?

We have behaviour points but not pie charts. Sounds rather childish!

It is 🙈 also rather demoralising. They can have 150 positive and then get 2 negatives and it takes a huge chunk of red out of the pie chart. Visually it really seems to change the children mindset.

My son has negative points for looking at another child that called his name and responding when another child asked for help in maths. I would understand more if he had been behaving badly. I think it's very dry easy for the teachers to just tick and give a child these points. They need to think of the impact on the child behind them.

We get sent a summary at the end of the week if positive and negative conduct points but it is just a list.

As a data scientist, I can say that pie charts are one of the worst ways to display data…

It does seem very inaccurate.

We have this too. No differentiation between red for forgetting a pen or red for swearing at a teacher. I mostly ignore unless they are stacking up or are actual bad behaviour

Edited to add my eldest is y10. I'd be having a chat with my y7 dc if he had a lot by now but wouldn't worry if low level issues or the school rules are harsh

It is low level and they are being harsh. Like I say 2 negative and 150 positive. Just seems a bit silly unless it's a meaningful reason. I guess every school has a behaviour policy 🙈

Just wish it wasn't so visual and didn't upset my son. He didn't really understand what he had done wrong in helping another child.

Maybe you could help him understand?

Is it ClassCharts? Both my children’s school use them and yes I can see the piechart

150 positive points is amazing so focus on that and explain why even though he was trying to help it was still talking in the classroom

Could you expand more on why you don't like pie charts? (Interested from a maths point if view not school behaviour.)

I have explained it to him. It's very different to primary where they are encouraged to help the child next to them. Much more about independent learning.

There are countless studies that show that the human brain is very bad at interpreting them.

This is a good summary scc.ms.unimelb.edu.au/resources/data-visualisation-and-exploration/no_pie-charts

Thank you, interesting.

Perhaps the class had been instructed to work in silence and as your son didn't follow that instruction this is why he got the points. Not for helping someone. But you'll know what you were told.

It is a shame to have so many positive points and then see the red part. Hopefully he can focus on the positives instead.

I know you won’t like me saying this but it’s low level disruption that is the biggest behaviour problem for teachers in schools. You need to explain to him that he mustn’t respond to a child in the classroom when he has been told to work quietly - the teacher will respond to a hand being quietly put up. As for the pie chart, how does he see it? Does the form tutor show it or is it just in an app and he’s seen you looking at it? If it’s the latter just don’t show him!

Surely 2 compared with 150 would be a tiny sliver, less than 5 degrees?

Imagine if other kids were calling across to each other or talking while the teacher was teaching or the students were working. It would be a noisy and chaotic learning environment. Your child received negatives for doing the wrong thing. The best thing you can do is not minimise it and stop whinging about a sliver of red on a green circle.

By the way helping a friend is a common excuse for chatting. Often it is not true either.

The children have access to the pie charts themselves I didn't show him.

I'm not whinging just an observation on my part. He's top of the tables across the board for all him home learning. He's a very hard worker and has always had good reports and not had issues.

As I said I have spoken to him and I understand calling across a class is a disruption. In his previous school he was an expert so used to helping other pupils. I have no reason to not believe him. I have told him the expectations are different. It's all a learning curve.

That's still something when they see it as a negative. Red is red isn't it? It doesn't matter the size.

Who are they shown to. If it's just parents could ignore??

I see they show the children. I think year 7 is the time when most children develop a thicker skin and start caring a bit less about things like this. I mean try to do your best of course, but the odd detention or behaviour point needs to be seen for what it is, no big deal

I really think you are both fussing about nothing. 2 negatives and 150 positives. A tiny sliver on a pie chart.

This is a great opportunity for him to learn that even someone who tries to behave impeccably all the time will sometimes misjudge something, or even (shock, horror!) be punished for something they didn't do.

Teach him that life isn't always fair, and encourage him to keep doing his best.

We have class charts but the teachers are only allowed to issue positive points so the pie chart is always totally green. The school doesn't believe in giving negative behaviour points only positive ones.

My son's school have a system (not sure if it's new) where they might get behaviour points for something low level but then get the opportunity to redeem it and have it wiped if they show good behaviour for the remainder of the class. I thought this was good for minor stuff.