Friend won appeal based on lie

[Cartwrightandson]

Just found out a friend has won her appeal based on a lie.

For admission to church of England school, it's church attendance every 2 weeks for over 2 years, friend was awarded 25 points when minimum or last child admitted received 30 points. Friend has got member of the catholic church to write a supporting letter stating church attendance was over 2 years. When it wasn't.

I'm just stunned..this isn't the person I know, lying like this. It means someone else's child won't get a place, as it was oversubscribed..

It's the priest fault and he should have practiced what he preaches about lying and falsehoods

My friend’s local Catholic school and associated church has a register to sign at church and this is used for applications. I can’t tell you the fiddling that goes on there with friends signing in for each other etc.

I had my children baptised as Catholics to get them into the good school. I’m certainly not alone.

What about grammar school that discriminate basing on performance@SoupDragon ?

Or what about discrimination based on affluence in top comprehensive around which the prices of property are skyrocketing?

I am asking - why to target as discrimination only faith schools and not other schools too?

all new faith schools until recently had a rule of acceptance of 50% non faith/ other faith pupils and that apparently didn't work

My friend’s local Catholic school and associated church has a register to sign at church and this is used for applications. I can’t tell you the fiddling that goes on there with friends signing in for each other etc.

But there are parishes in most cases where the priest stands outside after mass and in his notebook marks every parent coming to him to sign up

Do you all think Muslim schools should be abolished, or just CofE?

Do you think muslims should open up thier school sto let your children attend?

Funny how its always CofE that should be done away with 🙄

Does it matter? If they had attended for 2 years with no religious values purely to get into the school would they be any better morally? Faith schools shouldn't exist in my opinion and the admission criteria are setting the schools up for lies and deception.

If it makes you feel better, the child will know that they have received the place by deceit which will have repercussions.

It's very possible that the child will not know what machinations their parents went through to secure the place. But, if the child did believe that they received the place by deceit, the repercussion may well be that they learn that it's worth it to lie.

I don't know about CoE but nobody who doesn't have at least Catholic origin ( non practicing baptised Catholic) and would send their kid to Catholic school.

Simply the amount of Catholic brainwashing they do there is not for people of a different faith: RE twice a week, masses, retreats with priest etc etc

It is not easy to completely fake to be Catholic.

Catholic secondary schools are not only about prayers at the beginning of the day and the end. It is a whole elaborate mind conditioning

@EmberAsh Faith schools shouldn't exist in my opinion and the admission criteria are setting the schools up for lies and deception.

You are offending this way people who are truly religious.For Catholic schools the requirements are often very strict e.g. child has to be baptised within the first half a year of their life, priests checking presence after the masses etc

Aren't the property prices driven around the top comprehensive also a lie and deception? People move just to get in and then they move out once they got in

Why is it any of your business? Genuinely...why?? There should be NO faith based discrimination for any child to attend a school. Ever!

Of course, it's wrong to lie. It's fraudulent.

But I can't get terribly upset about fraudulent information being used to bypass an admissions process that is, in itself, immoral and discriminatory.

Good for your friend!
Apart from the fact I don’t think you have the whole story anyway…
The one area where I think “thou shalt lie” is definitely around ridiculous faith criteria in state schools.

For Catholic schools the requirements are often very strict e.g. child has to be baptised within the first half a year of their life, priests checking presence after the masses etc

Doesn't that apply only to oversubscribed RC schools? For undersubscribed RC schools, won't they take any child to make up the numbers? Or do you not consider those to be "real Catholic" schools?

@VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget no state faith schools should exist. Self funding/private schools- up to them.

Kindly, OP, I would advise you to get real problems. Is it a much better school? Resourceful parenting if so!

Oversubscribed. But I think that the problem here people have with oversubscribed schools. Nearly all Catholic schools have in their admission policy the last criterion which is " All other children". But it never is the case in oversubscribed schools as siblings, catholic kids, and orthodox are taking all PAN.
Undersubscribed Catholic schools in most cases do take children of other denominations

Why do you care?

didn't want the child of a liar going to a local Catholic school? Churches together gives you 'points' if you are a Christian church goer. Less points than if you go regularly to a CofE but more than if you are other faith or no faith.

That's the point. New faith schools had to accept 50% non faith students. Catholic church refused to set anymore as they refused to reject non Catholics. The Muslim schools happily set up in the knowledge that only Muslims wanted to go. That is why they government are trying to revoke the faith schools cap.

Sorry I made no sense!
When the 50% rule around new faith schools was brought in the Catholic Church refused to set up any more faith schools as they refused to reject Catholics in favour of non Catholics.

So would it be ok if she was an atheist who attended the correct number of church services to get her child a place? The whole thing is ridiculous. Parents shouldn’t have to jump through hoops and pretend to be religious just to get their kids into a better school!

Why am I not surprised by the catholic church

Exactly. Lie is an aggressive way to frame this. Sounds like an exaggeration at worst. It's very difficult to get to church regularly with kids (as they moan and resist it so much and have competing extra- curriculars) - it sounds like this person's faith is pretty important to them if they've been going regularly for a year (and presumably the kid is baptised etc or the priest wouldn't have signed anything). I would leave off your judgement- leave that to God! 😆

I would leave off your judgement- leave that to God! 😆

I think he's got enough to worry about in the world, he's in over his head as it is.

Yes - when we were applying for Reception, we lived in an area that had a rather a limited geographic reach and of our 6 nearest primaries, 5 admitted all their pupils under the religious criteria.

We're atheist with Jewish heritage, so didn't tick the boxes and so didn't qualify for any of our nearest schools.