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Language exchange

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stuckasastuckthing · 23/01/2024 11:56

I have a DS in yr 9 who has to do a language for GCSE - he's generally bright but languages not particularly his thing. The school are pushing doing an exchange in yr 10 as they say it really helps with language skills. He (and we) hate the idea as we're all quite introverted, rarely have overnight guests etc and the thought of a stranger staying for 7 nights makes me really anxious.
Just wondering how much the exchange really helps? He definitely won't pursue the language after gcse. Is it possible to boost skills/confidence in other ways? eg can you do zoom conversation classes with a German speaker? Any other suggestions welcome ...

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stuckasastuckthing · 23/01/2024 12:35

Blueskier · 23/01/2024 12:19

My DD is doing this every week with her German online partner. It is arranged by her school.
https://spellian.com/

That looks really good, thanks! I can't tell from the website though whether you can only do it through a school (and I don't think DS's would be keen as they offer the exchange) - do you know?

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TheSquareMile · 23/01/2024 12:52

A useful link I can suggest is the German section at Grant and Cutler, the specialist languages department at Foyles. They have things like board games which can make language learning more fun.

https://www.grantandcutler.com/books/section/GABC

Classroom Extras

https://www.grantandcutler.com/books/section/GABC

TheSquareMile · 23/01/2024 13:00

I've often recommended the Mary Glasgow publications for young learners but gather that the German issues stopped a while ago.

The previous issues are still available online though and have topics which might interest him.

https://de.maryglasgowplus.com/magazines

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https://de.maryglasgowplus.com/magazines

ErrolTheDragon · 23/01/2024 13:05

My DD had to take an MFL. I don't think the exchange helped her grasp of German at all. When it came to the oral exam she completely froze on the first attempt, managed to get through the second try after her teacher said, I've seen you act, so act as if you're someone who can speak German.

Her exchange partner barely spoke to any of us while she was with us, it was really awkward. I think it'd been like that for dd when she was there too.

DD enjoyed other aspects of her trip (formed a few lasting friendships with some of the other girls who she didn't know before), and made a wry comment something along the lines of 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' - that it was useful in that having survived that she knew she could get through stressful situations in future. But she's quite a resiliant person, and although can be initially shy isn't introverted.

From what you've said, sounds like it's probably a bullet to dodge.

lurkerty · 23/01/2024 13:40

Introvert from an introvert family here. As a child, my parents never allowed me to go on a sleepover and we did not have overnight guests. I disliked languages and was convinced I was not good at them (teachers seemed to agree). I was sent on an exchange aged 13 despite having major reservations.

It was difficult at first (it was full immersion and I could hardly string a sentence) but things eventually clicked. I'm still friends with the host family, thirty years on. The language I learnt (and which I had every intention to drop the moment I could) went on to shape my personal and professional life.

The exchange helped me hugely with the language; it was all A* from that point. Living with strangers and having to understand what is going on in a real life situation is radically different from speaking over Zoom and watching movies, however useful those things can be language-wise. Quite aside from the language, the experience gave me extremely useful life skills. It really opened my mind and trained my resilience in a positive way (hugely helpful as a teen).

I now work at a university which offers all students the possibility of studying abroad. A short school exchange is quite different from a months-long experience but I am regularly amazed by how much the majority of those students who go to study abroad mature as a result and how the experience helps them to start (and then advance) their professional lives.

I am sending my DD on her first school exchange this spring.

Of course, there is no guarantee that things will always go right (and I know of people who hated it and asked to come back after two days) but I genuinely feel that in the vast majority of cases the benefits hugely outweight the potential downsides.

LIZS · 23/01/2024 13:56

Check the arrangements for hosting. Not all families are able to and sometimes the stay in pairs, so not everyone needs to,

stuckasastuckthing · 23/01/2024 19:04

Thanks so much for all the suggestions - especially interesting to see the different views on the value of exchanges! We don't have the full info from the school yet so will try and keep an open mind until then .

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lanthanum · 23/01/2024 20:03

DD spent 4 days and 2 nights in France in her life before getting a 9 at GCSE, and apart from one bilingual girl in her French class, had not really talked in French with any native speakers. (We had planned to holiday in France at some point before the GCSE, but covid...)

Check the itinerary - sometimes they keep them all so busy that you wouldn't have to do much more than provide B&B. It's obviously harder if they're with you all evening every evening.

As Lizs says, it might be possible to take part in the exchange without hosting, so don't be afraid to say "he'd like to but we can't host", just in case. It's none of their business why you can't host - don't feel pressured to give reasons.

PermanentTemporary · 23/01/2024 20:08

Ds's school didn't do exchanges but I sent ds to Spain for a week to a language school with home stay. It meant he actually learned some Spanish.

The schools push it because people don't want to do them any more. But they really do improve language speaking.

PandaG · 23/01/2024 20:17

Both dc did German exchanges here, one twice, with two different German students. 2/3 were fine, lovely kids who were a pleasure to host, the other less so. School had things planned several evenings of the trip, to which both halves of the exchange were invited, it was mainly the weekend that we had to entertain the students. It was quite hard work.
For other ways to consolidate the language - daughter had regular coffee date with a young German woman who was on a year long internship in our city, who we knew through church. Really really built her confidence, her speaking and listening improved massively
Son picked up German again as a (very) minor at university. He reads in German to keep his skills up - he's had Harry Potter and Narnia in German the last couple of Christmases.
Also - look for subtitled films or series - some of the vocab goes in while you are watching.

lurkerty · 24/01/2024 10:07

Reading, watching films/tv, having an online/in person exchange partner should definitely help. The more you are able to understand the language outside of the artificial classroom context, the higher the chances of engaging with (potential) hosts abroad and having a good time. It's not a matter of either/or but of doing both if the circumstances allow. @stuckasastuckthing if your DC has any particular hobbies/interests, try to find out whether it is possible to read/watch stuff about it in German.

Of course it is perfectly possible to get top marks in a GCSE language not having set foot in any area where it is spoken. The difference may be how much hard work is required to get to that point without the lucky advantage of having experienced and learnt the language organically (as we all did with our own first one). It may also affect how you feel about the language and whether you build on it (with the opportunities that may afford later) or drop it at the earliest opportunity because it feels like a thankless chore (rather than something that allowed you to do new, exciting things).

A week's exchange is unlikely to have seismic effects but it may crack open a door. If it doesn't work out (and luck can play a role here), you'd have had a few not-so-great days. If it does, it could bring so many benefits. Little to lose, much to win.

And one last thing: kids that stay with a schoolmate at the host family naturally end up speaking English all the time, which makes the whole experience fairly pointless (apart from the touristy part of the trip). I'd say that the more time they get to be alone with the hosts, the more productive the experience.

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