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Homophobia in school

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TooManyPlatesInMotion · 18/01/2024 20:44

DS is 13 (y8) and goes to a boy's Catholic school (state). The majority of boys are Catholic or otherwise Christian, and most are from culturally very conservative backgrounds. We are a C of E family ourselves.

DS has a group of friends, is generally quite outgoing and laid back and is doing very well academically, loves sport too. The school has really helped him improve his motivation and engagement.

But - and it is a BIG but - I am so sick and disappointed with the general culture of casual homophobia and misogyny, expressed constantly between the boys. My DS has told me about this and when he first started some of the language came home, so we have had discussions about how unacceptable and hurtful that language is.

It is now definitely really affecting my DS who, I suspect, may be questioning where he fits in, and his own sexuality. Some of that is obviously conjecture on my part, but he knows my door is open if he wants to talk about it.

DS is so, so angry in a way he struggles to talk about and has now started getting into fights, eg when hanging out playing football after school. He is thin on the details but there has been at least once occasion when he has told me of suggestions that he is gay, plays like a "batty boy" etc. I am not condoning the fighting on his part and have spoken with him about it. There is no excuse for fighting, regardless of provocation, but I am really worried about his wellbeing.

My issue is with the school and what I do now. The language and culture is worse than when I was at secondary school in the late 1990s, when gay/queer/lezza were the worst insults going and no one came out at school, even in 6th form. I cannot believe it is still like this in London in 2023.

Surely the school have safeguarding obligations, a duty to promote a culture of inclusivity and " British values" (or whatever it is called) in PSHE, regardless of it being a Catholic school?

Has anyone dealt with anything similar or have any advice?

Thanks.

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Foxesandsquirrels · 19/01/2024 13:07

SquirrelSoShiny · 19/01/2024 11:44

Honestly I agree with you. I think Stonewall and trans activists have so much to answer for. Most of the worst activists are straight men who fancy women. Meanwhile LGB people who just want a quiet life are now having to watch the backlash unfolding and watching teen attitudes going back to the 70s. It is absolutely dismaying.

Yup. Not to mention the genuinely gay kids who don't want to come out whilst in school because they don't want to belong to an intense rainbow waving club. They just want a quiet normal existence with the girl or boy they fancy, just like the straight kids get to have.

Foxesandsquirrels · 19/01/2024 13:10

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 19/01/2024 11:44

Absolutely this @Foxesandsquirrels . It is a source of hilarity amongst many of the kids - constant jokes about trans issuing, identifying as x/y/z, and a real push back against the progress that has been made in recent years on LGBTQ+ issues.

It's certainly the joke amongst the London schools I visit as a dyslexia teacher. They do have a lot to answer for, especially as they seem to really play up on the stereotypes of LGBTQ people in all their campaigns. All the gay boys seem to be feminine and the lesbians have short hair and look manly. Everyone is covered in rainbow and super proud. What happened to just letting it be? Honestly if they left it all alone it and just said ok so what John likes Daniel, it would serve the community far better than what they're doing now.

25Green · 19/01/2024 15:13

@Foxesandsquirrels Just want to make sure that we are not justifying the behaviour of some misogynistic and homophobic kids due to some 'stereotypes of LGBTQ people'.

@TooManyPlatesInMotion if you feel like it is getting out of your depth maybe seek some help with counselling. However, the school should definitely have a PSHE lead which you should talk too.

Hadalifeonce · 19/01/2024 15:18

It's not just in your DS school, DD was in a mixed school, she said the level of homophobia and sexism among the boys was appalling.

Foxesandsquirrels · 19/01/2024 16:25

25Green · 19/01/2024 15:13

@Foxesandsquirrels Just want to make sure that we are not justifying the behaviour of some misogynistic and homophobic kids due to some 'stereotypes of LGBTQ people'.

@TooManyPlatesInMotion if you feel like it is getting out of your depth maybe seek some help with counselling. However, the school should definitely have a PSHE lead which you should talk too.

In that case, before you send another patronising message, you might want to make sure you've read my original post, not just the reply I sent to someone specific. I clearly say in my first post: It isn't an excuse as their behaviour is disgusting

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 19/01/2024 16:55

I have contacted DS' head of year who is coming back to me with some dates for me to discuss with him further.

DS himself doesn't want to name individual boys, which makes it tricky. He has, however, managed to get through today without getting into any trouble himself for fighting or anything else and I feel he is on an even keel for the weekend, which is something.

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thecallofthemountain · 19/01/2024 18:51

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 19/01/2024 16:55

I have contacted DS' head of year who is coming back to me with some dates for me to discuss with him further.

DS himself doesn't want to name individual boys, which makes it tricky. He has, however, managed to get through today without getting into any trouble himself for fighting or anything else and I feel he is on an even keel for the weekend, which is something.

Hopefully they actually do something.

25Green · 19/01/2024 19:13

@TooManyPlatesInMotion that’s a great step forward!

You might find that names don’t need to be mentioned as they might know who you are talking about anyway.

Glad he has managed to get through today! Keep us updated.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 19/01/2024 21:37

I will do @25Green

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dorisdaydidnitdodirtydeeds · 19/01/2024 23:22

Nottodaty · 19/01/2024 09:23

My daughter goes to a Catholic school - they would not accept any of this behaviour. One girl who used the term Gay to a boy - (your acting so gay) was pulled up on it immediately and it was then followed up with a year assembly- acceptance, bullying. As a school they have PHSE sessions just like any other school. We are usually informed if it’s to with a more sensitive subject to enable any support a child may need.

I would definitely speak to the school. They need to ensure the message is sent out and behaviour improved!

Sadly it may be because it’s an all boys school - friends that are teacher have always said , if they had daughters they would send them to all girls school, sons to a mixed!

Edited

Teacher here, worked in Catholic and state school for many years. I couldn’t have said it better that Nottodaty, even down to the comment about a daughter to the girls school, a son to mixed.

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 13:56

Foxesandsquirrels · 19/01/2024 13:10

It's certainly the joke amongst the London schools I visit as a dyslexia teacher. They do have a lot to answer for, especially as they seem to really play up on the stereotypes of LGBTQ people in all their campaigns. All the gay boys seem to be feminine and the lesbians have short hair and look manly. Everyone is covered in rainbow and super proud. What happened to just letting it be? Honestly if they left it all alone it and just said ok so what John likes Daniel, it would serve the community far better than what they're doing now.

What do you mean 'look manly'? If a woman, lesbian or not, wants to wear traditionally male clothes, what's wrong with that? Plenty of women like trousers and short hair etc, what's the issue? Same for feminine boys.

There's nothing wrong with not being gender-conforming, is there? Gay people are a bit more likely to be that, and that's fine.

Otoh they should be clear that gay people don't have to look a particular way.

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 13:59

Foxesandsquirrels · 19/01/2024 13:10

It's certainly the joke amongst the London schools I visit as a dyslexia teacher. They do have a lot to answer for, especially as they seem to really play up on the stereotypes of LGBTQ people in all their campaigns. All the gay boys seem to be feminine and the lesbians have short hair and look manly. Everyone is covered in rainbow and super proud. What happened to just letting it be? Honestly if they left it all alone it and just said ok so what John likes Daniel, it would serve the community far better than what they're doing now.

And if schools are using stereotypes only in stuff, why is that an excuse for honophobia? Nobody should be bullied for how they dress or have their hair etc

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