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Manchester Grammar School or King Edward's School Birmingham

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Lalagu · 08/01/2024 09:56

My kid has received offers from both schools for Year 7 in the upcoming year. I am wondering which school he should choose. Do you have any insightful ideas? Thanks!

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Lalagu · 11/01/2024 11:33

LIZS · 11/01/2024 11:14

Have you looked into whether you would get a mortgage having not lived in UK and on a low income. Or is your housing budget capital to invest? Tbh renting at first is a sensible option to work out where is best fir your budget.

actually we are not eligible for any mortgage in UK or HK (as we leave HK soon and dont have any decent job to support our mortgage application)......btw we reserve 300-400K for property and hope it can save our rental expense which is the largest expense and if rental keeps raising, it may affect our budget and so we want to secure it asap

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MailMe1 · 11/01/2024 14:09

Hi @Lalagu it’s amazing how we can adapt our lives to suit our income but you still want a decent quality of life. The great thing about Birmingham is it’s not far from Solihull or Sutton for community integration. Then I know completely different but there is a large Chinese community in both cities with plenty of cheap supermarkets for all types of food. We’ve found our local supermarket is stocking lots of Chinese and South Asian foods since both communities have increased in our area. It’s amazing!

Lalagu · 11/01/2024 14:20

MailMe1 · 11/01/2024 14:09

Hi @Lalagu it’s amazing how we can adapt our lives to suit our income but you still want a decent quality of life. The great thing about Birmingham is it’s not far from Solihull or Sutton for community integration. Then I know completely different but there is a large Chinese community in both cities with plenty of cheap supermarkets for all types of food. We’ve found our local supermarket is stocking lots of Chinese and South Asian foods since both communities have increased in our area. It’s amazing!

I will go shopping there to bump with our lovely Hk people

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SwanHK · 14/01/2024 11:57

Solihull and Sutton Coldfield are definitely nicest places around birmingham. It is noting related to those KOLs. You will know if you choose Birmingham as your home to settle. While I am looking for place to stay closer to KEHS, I can't find any place comparable to Shirley (where I live now) under same price tag.

Lalagu · 14/01/2024 12:00

SwanHK · 14/01/2024 11:57

Solihull and Sutton Coldfield are definitely nicest places around birmingham. It is noting related to those KOLs. You will know if you choose Birmingham as your home to settle. While I am looking for place to stay closer to KEHS, I can't find any place comparable to Shirley (where I live now) under same price tag.

i agree
how about acocks green?
how to go to school if living in shirley? take 76 bus?

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SwanHK · 14/01/2024 12:11

accocks green is another world compared to shirley. if you do want to choose solihull, choose somewhere you can walk to any of the S1 bus stop. We may share the school run with friend, they drive the girls to school and we will be responsible for taking the girls back home.

Lalagu · 14/01/2024 12:20

SwanHK · 14/01/2024 12:11

accocks green is another world compared to shirley. if you do want to choose solihull, choose somewhere you can walk to any of the S1 bus stop. We may share the school run with friend, they drive the girls to school and we will be responsible for taking the girls back home.

i see
i will consider shirley as well
thanks for your suggestion
but i see there is only 76 in shirley, stop at university station nearby
if take 1S need to stay at solihull (a bit far more)....

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Leafpicker2000 · 14/01/2024 12:55

KES is a fantastic school catering to all interests we found.
Lots use the school bus service 885 to Solihull but if they stay late for any sport or other activity they would need to find their own way home.
I would caution against living in Shirley or Solihull due to traffic.
A lot travel by train from Sutton Coldfield.
Stirchley is an up and coming area and on the train line and almost walkable.
If (when) we have a Labour government they are likely to put VAT on school fees which will largely be passed on to parents so worth bearing in mind when considering finances.

Lalagu · 14/01/2024 17:41

Leafpicker2000 · 14/01/2024 12:55

KES is a fantastic school catering to all interests we found.
Lots use the school bus service 885 to Solihull but if they stay late for any sport or other activity they would need to find their own way home.
I would caution against living in Shirley or Solihull due to traffic.
A lot travel by train from Sutton Coldfield.
Stirchley is an up and coming area and on the train line and almost walkable.
If (when) we have a Labour government they are likely to put VAT on school fees which will largely be passed on to parents so worth bearing in mind when considering finances.

i checked, 885 changed to be 1S now
from Solihull to KES, get 1S or 1A
from Shirley to KES, get 76

whatever it takes around 45min to school unless drive myself and around 25-30min

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LIZS · 14/01/2024 18:45

45 minutes is a fairly typical secondary school commute especially for private schools. Are you planning to have a car?

Lalagu · 15/01/2024 08:51

LIZS · 14/01/2024 18:45

45 minutes is a fairly typical secondary school commute especially for private schools. Are you planning to have a car?

yes we drive but we also want to have public transport as alternative in case
it seems it just takes 25-30min from Solihull/Shirley to KES if drive myself

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SwanHK · 15/01/2024 10:06

During peak hour, I think it takes about 40 min from Shirley, and 5-10 min for more buffer time. The traffic is terrible. And for bus 76, as there are many stops, I really can't estimate the time required for the whole journey.

Lalagu · 15/01/2024 10:11

SwanHK · 15/01/2024 10:06

During peak hour, I think it takes about 40 min from Shirley, and 5-10 min for more buffer time. The traffic is terrible. And for bus 76, as there are many stops, I really can't estimate the time required for the whole journey.

omg.....
it is the point and make me hesitate to pick Shirley for my home
i like Shirley/Solihull as they are indeed nice

btw are there many KES/KEHS students living in Shirley/Solihull?

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SwanHK · 15/01/2024 10:53

yes, but most of them take S1 as far as I heard. There are a lot of stops in S1, you may take a look. The area between Olton and solihull are nice, skip acocks green. Moseley is a convenice choice too, with limited house fits your budget.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/1s-solihull-king-edwards-high-school

Lalagu · 15/01/2024 10:59

SwanHK · 15/01/2024 10:53

yes, but most of them take S1 as far as I heard. There are a lot of stops in S1, you may take a look. The area between Olton and solihull are nice, skip acocks green. Moseley is a convenice choice too, with limited house fits your budget.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/1s-solihull-king-edwards-high-school

Great! I will check the place shortly
As S1 is limited to serve once at morning and after school and if missed there is a long journey back to home
btw i see there are many properties within my budget in Shirley and look nice
even bus 76 has many stops, it is still providing whole day service for the town....so i may prioritise my choice in Shirley
thanks anyway Flowers

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AnnaSewell · 15/01/2024 11:00

I think people who want private education for their children are typically well-off parents who can also afford to pick the more affluent suburbs/dormitory towns to live in eg Harborne, Edgbaston, Solihull. They are often prepared to do the trade off of long commutes and traffic jams.

Both car traffic and public transport round the West Midlands is frustrating at peak times. Journeys of a few miles can take up to an hour, particularly if you have to change buses. (A lot of the main routes go in and out of the city. Buses that go around the city often take all sorts of diversions to scoop up people from housing estates. It is honestly easier to walk 3 miles than take a bus in many cases.

So, if you're on a budget and not fussed about living in a posh area, I'd go for a less upmarket area on a direct bus route - ideally where you'd be able to meet up with other HK expats. There may be fewer other children going to the same school in the locality, but as KEHS does offer bursaries and scholarships not every child will be based in the poshest parts of Birmingham.

Also there are many less expensive areas that nonetheless have access to good shops, and which are near green space. It's worth saying though, that Birmingham council has - effectively - gone bankrupt, and so some public services will be cut causing problems in the city. But a lot of local authorities are in trouble. I can't imagine the situation is significantly different in Manchester and a change of government may result in better investment in the regions.

Lalagu · 15/01/2024 11:14

AnnaSewell · 15/01/2024 11:00

I think people who want private education for their children are typically well-off parents who can also afford to pick the more affluent suburbs/dormitory towns to live in eg Harborne, Edgbaston, Solihull. They are often prepared to do the trade off of long commutes and traffic jams.

Both car traffic and public transport round the West Midlands is frustrating at peak times. Journeys of a few miles can take up to an hour, particularly if you have to change buses. (A lot of the main routes go in and out of the city. Buses that go around the city often take all sorts of diversions to scoop up people from housing estates. It is honestly easier to walk 3 miles than take a bus in many cases.

So, if you're on a budget and not fussed about living in a posh area, I'd go for a less upmarket area on a direct bus route - ideally where you'd be able to meet up with other HK expats. There may be fewer other children going to the same school in the locality, but as KEHS does offer bursaries and scholarships not every child will be based in the poshest parts of Birmingham.

Also there are many less expensive areas that nonetheless have access to good shops, and which are near green space. It's worth saying though, that Birmingham council has - effectively - gone bankrupt, and so some public services will be cut causing problems in the city. But a lot of local authorities are in trouble. I can't imagine the situation is significantly different in Manchester and a change of government may result in better investment in the regions.

thank you for your message
i sincerely believe you are talking the sooth and real picture to me
yes my kid is studying in international school in HK and thus keeping his quality of education is absolutely the top priority within our budget
we still have resources on hand but we try to limit our dedication to property
we dont know how much we need to spend if he takes a ticket in university in london
so parking more resources on pocket is also needed

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Leafpicker2000 · 15/01/2024 17:29

When looking at Shirley - there is a large traffic roundabout (Robin Hood Island) which can be a nightmare in rush hour.
My DS wished he had lived somewhere with access to that train line as it would have made his socialising easier as he got older.

Lalagu · 15/01/2024 17:31

Leafpicker2000 · 15/01/2024 17:29

When looking at Shirley - there is a large traffic roundabout (Robin Hood Island) which can be a nightmare in rush hour.
My DS wished he had lived somewhere with access to that train line as it would have made his socialising easier as he got older.

thanks for your tip Brew

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Lifeinlists · 15/01/2024 22:49

To be fair I don't think OP's school / house choice ought to rest on the Robin Hood Island. There are ways of avoiding it.
Rush hour traffic is part of life in a big city wherever you are, unless you're within walking distance of a school.
There are plenty of housing options within Birmingham - it's a big place. You tend to have to pay more for the same type of house as soon as you move over the border into Solihull though.

Children travel from a wide radius of Birmingham and all points beyond so there isn't a particular concentration in many areas at all.

Lalagu · 16/01/2024 13:14

Lifeinlists · 15/01/2024 22:49

To be fair I don't think OP's school / house choice ought to rest on the Robin Hood Island. There are ways of avoiding it.
Rush hour traffic is part of life in a big city wherever you are, unless you're within walking distance of a school.
There are plenty of housing options within Birmingham - it's a big place. You tend to have to pay more for the same type of house as soon as you move over the border into Solihull though.

Children travel from a wide radius of Birmingham and all points beyond so there isn't a particular concentration in many areas at all.

it is true
i do a deep analysis already and i know where to source my property
many thanks

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Leafpicker2000 · 16/01/2024 17:14

Lifeinlists · 15/01/2024 22:49

To be fair I don't think OP's school / house choice ought to rest on the Robin Hood Island. There are ways of avoiding it.
Rush hour traffic is part of life in a big city wherever you are, unless you're within walking distance of a school.
There are plenty of housing options within Birmingham - it's a big place. You tend to have to pay more for the same type of house as soon as you move over the border into Solihull though.

Children travel from a wide radius of Birmingham and all points beyond so there isn't a particular concentration in many areas at all.

I agree but having done that journey for 9 years I don't think that it's realistic to think you can do Solihull to KES in 25 mins at rush hour.

crazycrofter · 16/01/2024 17:52

Having had a dd travel to KEHS from Northfield on the train (with plenty of bus options when trains were down) and then move to a sixth form further away and only accessible by train, I would advise you go for the closer/most convenient area if you can. Ds also did a long (1 hour plus) commute to grammar school and it’s tiring.

Lalagu · 16/01/2024 17:59

crazycrofter · 16/01/2024 17:52

Having had a dd travel to KEHS from Northfield on the train (with plenty of bus options when trains were down) and then move to a sixth form further away and only accessible by train, I would advise you go for the closer/most convenient area if you can. Ds also did a long (1 hour plus) commute to grammar school and it’s tiring.

absolutely agree to live near the school
but i choose KES as it offers IB not AL

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senua · 16/01/2024 18:51

Lalagu · 16/01/2024 17:59

absolutely agree to live near the school
but i choose KES as it offers IB not AL

I think that crazycrofter is trying to emphasise that she knows what she is talking about with regard to travel in that area.
KEHS (the girls' school) is right next door to KES (the boys' school).