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KeepingTrying · 17/12/2023 14:41

Hi,

I wondered if I could ask for advice to help me work collaboratively with our secondary school?

DS is ASD and is in crisis and has dropped out of school. It's a long story, but he can't cope with screen-based learning any more, and the school learning is entirely screen based. DS can't cope with emotional material, or pictures or videos except very bland ones, and only if I personally check them first for triggers. Basically he would have been fine in a 1980s school before they had screens and the internet, but 2023 school with screens has finished him.

We're working from CGP textbooks and he is happy with that. DH and I between us have university level education in all the subects he needs except French and Music, in which we are educated to AS level. I don't work and am happy to home school him. DH can teach him physics, maths and computer science by doing lessons before and after work.

The thing is, we would like DS to stay on roll at the school so he can sit his exams there, but the school feel they need to have control of his education in order to allow that. But they can't have control of his education because he is so sensitive, that outside tutors just can't work with his level of need, and he can't engage with online learning.

The person we're talking to at school says she's certain that we can find a way to make it work, and I just wish I could figure out what the options are, so I could talk positively with her about how to do it.

What we need is:

  • An idea of how fast to go in order to cover 7 GCSEs in 2.5 years. For this, it would work for us just to have access to the school powerpoint files so I can cover the same topics at home. (We already have this).
  • Access to school tests on paper to do at home, so DS can have his progress monitored by the school. (They are already giving us this).
  • The knowledge organisers that the school use so we can be sure of covering the right material when we have to diverge from the school lessons a long way, as with reading different books in English.
  • Weekly safeguarding teams meeting (We already have this)
  • An undertaking from school that DS will be allowed to sit his exams in school without being forced to return. (We do not have this because they say DS can't stay on unless they control the teaching. They also acknowledge that they can't and won't offroll him, so we and the school are in a bind.)

I wondered if anybody might know what the way forward is? I know the school want more control. I'm not sure what more they have when DS cannot currently tolerate being taught by adults other than us, and can't engage with screen-based learning.

We have both school and home ECHP applications submitted. One was turned down and sent to tribunal and one is yet to come to panel. We have a good private MH person working with DS over zoom and he is great. He says DS needs to home school until his GCSEs and ideally we need to stay on roll at the school to get support and access to exams.

I looked into King's interhigh and Wolsley Hall and neither is suitable. King's is screen-based and and the Wolsley is Cambridge exam board. The Cambridge books would not work for DS as they are full of the wrong kind of pictures (it is that bad).

I thought about private access exams but it is hard as DS wants to study two languages and the exam centre that does that is far away. Ds doesn't travel well and going to a completely strange place far away to sit exams would be very hard.

The main thing we need to do is get DS better, and the golden road to that is having a peaceful collaborative relationship with school so we can't get on with helping DS heal.

I would be grateful for any thoughts on it.

Thanks!

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lifeturnsonadime · 18/12/2023 13:38

@KeepingTrying regarding past papers, they are really easy to find for all exam boards on their websites, along with mark schemes.

You really don't need a tutor to help you to do that. It's obviously more work than if DC were going to a school, but you are more than capable.

My DC did practice papers which I marked using the mark scheme and he achieved in line with my assessments.

I'm not saying this to try to push you to use Wolsley Hall, just pointing out that this might not be the issue you think it is.

Good luck with it all.

KeepingTrying · 18/12/2023 13:42

@lifeturnsonadime thanks, that's really helpful to know. I have past papers printed for all the subjects but I hadn't thought to also look at the marking schemes. I will start work on that too.

I have been doing ABRSM exams for the last few years myself. That has been really helpful because I know that sometimes I have to adapt the learning to my own strengths. Knowing the syllabus inside out is essential for that. I'm putting my mind to work on that for DS too.

It means I need to be sure of which exam board we're working with, and that means I need to be certain about where the exams will happen. There are a lot of dependencies built in.

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Pythonesque · 18/12/2023 14:05

Good luck with the process of finding the right route forward, I really hope it works out for you.

This is very much an aside, but you mention musicianship/music theory. If your DS is wanting to progress his knowledge of harmony and composition, you may find the Trinity theory syllabuses/workbooks more useful than the ABRSM grade 6-8 ones, because they introduce the elements of this work much earlier and more systematically rather than all at once. ABRSM has eliminated composition and almost eliminated harmony work from their theory up to grade 5.
(I did Australian exams as a child so was really struck by the differences, the AMEB theory looks similar to Trinity)

KeepingTrying · 18/12/2023 14:25

@Pythonesque thanks, yes that is really very much in my mind at the moment. I did ABRSM entirely because I'm quite maths/science minded. DS loves composition and creativity, and is enjoying the Trinity theory workbooks. If I was trying to compose a rhythm I would be counting the notes out to fit the right number of crotchets, irrespective of how it all sounds. DS plays them with his biro on the table and vocalises them while he is working and loves having that creative element. I'm really glad the Trinity syllabus exists.

I find it odd that there is no grade exam system for composition. It's so easy to compose now that there are free downloads of Sibelius and Dorico and MuseScore. I think there is huge scope for creation of a Grade 1 - 8 scheme in composition.

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KeepingTrying · 18/12/2023 17:02

Is there a private facebook group or something where I could go to get advice on all this? It's a bit hard to put all the private details on a public forum like mumsnet.

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KeepGoingThomas · 18/12/2023 17:16

If you wouldn’t write it on MN I personally wouldn’t write it on Facebook, even in a private group.

KeepingTrying · 18/12/2023 17:59

Thanks, yes I did wonder about that. It's really surprising to me how many people just don't know how the SEND system works, even the people whose job it is to know. The whole system seems shrouded in secrecy, for some reason. Getting proper advice is really difficult.

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lifeturnsonadime · 19/12/2023 09:49

KeepingTrying · 18/12/2023 17:59

Thanks, yes I did wonder about that. It's really surprising to me how many people just don't know how the SEND system works, even the people whose job it is to know. The whole system seems shrouded in secrecy, for some reason. Getting proper advice is really difficult.

It's shrouded in secrecy and lies deliberately.

LAs would rather spend money defending the indefensible than actually meeting needs. It's a disgrace.

For proper free advice I would strongly recommend IPSEA. They have a helpline.

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/contact-ipsea

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/12/2023 14:49

There’s lots of fb groups.

Not fine in school ( which l personally don’t like)
Square peg
SEND and EHCP advice
Home schooling and home education help
Autism parents support group uk

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