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Advice regarding informal complaint to school.

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Redwineandsunshine · 24/11/2023 16:47

At the very end of summer term my 11 year old daughter went on a school trip for 2 nights/3 days.

She came home obviously very ill, with a fever and a badly infected elbow. We had to take her straight to a&e where she was admitted for 6 days of iv antibiotics (plus then tablet antibiotics for a few days once discharged) and was given a diagnosis of cellulitis and lymphangitis. The cellulitis was very severe looking (very red with a large ‘crater’). There was even talk of her having to have surgery but fortunately the surgeon she saw decided it wasn’t necessary.

During this school trip she complained twice, to two different teachers of a painful arm, once on the first evening and once at lunchtime on the third day.

The teacher she told on the first day had a look at her arm and as there was nothing obvious there told her to put a wet towel on it. However, on the third day she asked the other teacher for a plaster for her arm as it was hurting but her arm wasn’t even looked at and she was told there was no plasters available.

I picked her up from the school trip late afternoon/evening and spoke to the first teacher (who was in charge of the trip) to say thank you. This teacher mentioned nothing to me about her problems with her arm during the trip. It was only when we got home and saw it ourselves we realised how badly infected it was.

I had been in touch initially with the teacher in change of the trip to find out exactly what happened and how she came home so ill. He was going to find out if the other teacher had looked at her arm on the third day but I never heard back from him about that particular question.

Once autumn term started I left it a couple of weeks then got in touch with the head teacher to discuss what had happened and that I hadn’t had an answer regarding whether her arm was looked at on the third day, and also to complain that I wasn’t told
anything at pick up. She said she’d find out but I didn’t hear anything.

I saw the head on an unrelated issue at the beginning of last month, and mentioned that I still hadn’t had the answers I was waiting for and that I was really unhappy, disappointed and obviously very upset by the whole thing. I was asked if I wanted to make a formal complaint which I said I didn’t, I just wanted answers and a reassurance this wouldn’t happen again.

The head told me she still hadn’t spoken to the other teacher which I don’t actually believe. She’d had weeks to speak to her at this point.

Anyway, weeks later and I’ve still heard nothing. Im not sure what to do now? I can obviously get in touch with the head again but I’ve asked these questions 3 times already.

The schools policy on informal complaints is to respond within 10 days. I’ve been waiting weeks now. Has anyone else been in a similar situation or have any advice on moving this forward. I’d still rather avoid a formal complaint as I’m not sure if it’s justified in this case. Any advice gratefully received. Thank you

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trumpstinycock · 25/11/2023 12:27

To echo the previous COG, I too have sat on complaints panels and from what you've said it's very likely your complaint will be upheld if you can show how they have gone against their own First Aid policy.

However do think about what you actually want as an outcome - disciplining the staff involved is a matter for the head and unlikely to be an outcome. However, an apology to your DD or a change to staff training or indeed a change to the policy itself if it's inadequate will likely be within the remit.

Redwineandsunshine · 25/11/2023 13:52

I’m really grateful for the new responses, I’m currently putting together a formal complaint and they’re really helpful.

Also to clarify I’m not expecting the second teacher to be disciplined and that was never my intention.
My main concerns were how to make sure this doesn’t happen again, that my daughter deserves an apology and I also feel strongly that I wanted the second teachers version of what happened and find out why my daughter’s arm wasn’t looked at. Was it because the teacher decided it wasn’t necessary or was it that the trip was too ‘busy’ (not sure if that’s the right word) but by that I mean did the teacher not have time to check in which case was there enough teachers on the trip. Was that teacher under too much pressure which led to what happened.

Thanks again all.

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SwedishSchnauzer · 25/11/2023 17:44

The school should have contacted you immediately, apologised for failing to pick up on the issue, promised to look at their procedures and staff training, then worked out how to prevent this ever happening again. This is called reflective practice and is how best practice is achieved. As a parent this is the response I really want to hear because it safeguards everyone. Sadly the school has just buried its head, clearly hoping the issue will go away and this is neglectful

curaçao · 28/11/2023 17:18

i would imagine the schools legal advisors will have instructed the staff not respond , I think they will want any reponse to come via their lawyers and this wont happen unless you make a formal complaint.

KingsleyBorder · 28/11/2023 17:36

curaçao · 28/11/2023 17:18

i would imagine the schools legal advisors will have instructed the staff not respond , I think they will want any reponse to come via their lawyers and this wont happen unless you make a formal complaint.

Simply ignoring people, particularly after saying you will respond, is not advice that any reputable lawyer would give. There are plenty of ways to respond that still protect your legal position. Ignoring people is a sure fire way to escalate a dispute.

Seascape1325 · 28/11/2023 17:43

I would put it in as a formal complaint. If anything they will review the procedures to prevent it happening in the future to another child . Not the same but I remember picking up my daughter in foundation. Temp of over 40 and unwell (end of school day) straight away knew she was unwell as she was disoriented, took her to A & E and she was admitted for 4 days with a severe kidney infection and had problems for a long time after that. I made an informal complaint and it was dealt with very professionally and quickly. I have not heard of any issues since this time.

Mistakes happen but they need to acknowledge this and not brush it under the rug so to speak.

Seascape1325 · 28/11/2023 17:46

CeilingWacks · 24/11/2023 17:44

On a busy school trip, I can see why the teacher didn't think that "my arm hurts, can I have a plaster" was particularly serious. The fact remains, however, that it was extremely serious.

It seems that you're not looking for any sort of blame, or sanction, you just want to make sure that everyone is aware how seemingly innocuous injuries/illnesses can be more serious than you might assume? The school should be falling over themselves to a) make sure this training happens, and b) let you know it has happened. I would be devastated if this had happened on a trip I was leading, and I would have already booked in-depth first aid courses for everyone involved in future residential trips.

If a formal complaint is the only way, then so be it.

Totally agree. I think I would want to make sure training is up to date to make sure no incidences occurred in the future. These things do happen but surely everything that can be done to prevent them should be done. Seems a shame the school hasn't acknowledged the informal complaint.

curaçao · 29/11/2023 01:22

KingsleyBorder · 28/11/2023 17:36

Simply ignoring people, particularly after saying you will respond, is not advice that any reputable lawyer would give. There are plenty of ways to respond that still protect your legal position. Ignoring people is a sure fire way to escalate a dispute.

Hmm .i am not sure their union or head teachers would be advocating a response that hadnt been checked by legal.

mrssunshinexxx · 29/11/2023 01:37

Id be fuming,
Advocate for your daughter and put a complaint in tomorrow.

KingsleyBorder · 29/11/2023 12:23

curaçao · 29/11/2023 01:22

Hmm .i am not sure their union or head teachers would be advocating a response that hadnt been checked by legal.

That’s not what I suggested. I am saying that legal would advise on how to respond, they would not say ”do not respond”.

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