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Secondary school admission preferences

22 replies

Sammy900 · 19/09/2023 16:59

Hi

What are your general thoughts....If you all really want one school (just out of catchment slightly)

Would it be better to just put one preference on the apllication or fill all 4 choices in, despite not really wanting the other 3...

Thanks

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BoohooWoohoo · 19/09/2023 17:01

Definitely put in as many schools as possible.
The last one should be the most acceptable school that you are most likely to get into from your address.
Nothing worse than getting a school that is unacceptable and difficult to travel to.

spanieleyes · 19/09/2023 17:03

Well, if you only put one school down and don't get allocated that one, you will end up in whatever school has vacancies after everyone else has taken their pick!

ShadowPuppets · 19/09/2023 17:03

Definitely all 4. It doesn’t impact on your chances of getting school 1, and if you don’t get school 1 presumably you’d prefer a not great local school than a not great school 10 miles away.

myrtleWilson · 19/09/2023 17:03

Why in your mind would it be better to just put one preference. I know its not but am interested in your reasoning?

Sirzy · 19/09/2023 17:03

If you only put one preference and don’t get that then you get given whatever is left.

always use your options.

SummerInSun · 19/09/2023 17:06

If it were that easy to guarantee your first choice - ie by just putting your first choice in the form - everyone would do it.

FallingAutumnLeaf · 19/09/2023 17:07

Just putting one school won't increase your chances of getting a place.

You say you don't want ay other choices. So, if you didn't get offered your prefered school, what would you do? Home educate? Just use the one choice. If you would be deeply upset about being offered an unpopular school that is a nightmare to get to, use the rest of your choices with the last choice being the best you are almost certain to get a place at.

viques · 19/09/2023 17:08

And please don’t listen to the person who tells you “ Well we only put down one school and we got it.” Because the chances are they live next door to the school, or the child qualified on other criteria. Put the school you want first, put other acceptable schools next. Good luck. Remember you are expressing preferences, not making a choice!

Sammy900 · 19/09/2023 17:09

@myrtleWilson I was just discussing it today and it got me thinking.

If I get say, my second choice but don't really want it..could I appeal as it is my choices - won't they just say well we gave you one of your options so no ground to stand on

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SausageAndEggSandwich · 19/09/2023 17:09

Sammy900 · 19/09/2023 16:59

Hi

What are your general thoughts....If you all really want one school (just out of catchment slightly)

Would it be better to just put one preference on the apllication or fill all 4 choices in, despite not really wanting the other 3...

Thanks

If you don't get your out of catchment school then the admissions team will give you the closest school with space

Which might be a) miles away and/or b) terrible

Always use all your options.

cardboard33 · 19/09/2023 17:10

If you put one choice and are unsuccessful then your child will be allocated which ever school has places after everyone else's preferences have been taken into account. If you're happy with that and would rather that be the case than adding a couple of other options that are near to you/whatever your criteria, or are dead set on going private if you don't get into your first choice, then only put one choice.

If you'd take the other schools above a complete random one when push comes to shove, then put them down in preference order.

If you're outside of the catchment area then look very closely at admissions stats from previous years to see if they've taken anyone from further away than you in the past (not that this will necessarily have any bearing this year) and I'd also be looking at places where you will likely get into as a back up.

viques · 19/09/2023 17:12

Yes, you could appeal. Most people would go on the waiting list if they really wanted to. But the important thing in that situation is to accept the school offered then you, and more importantly your child, know that whatever happens with an appeal or a waiting list, they have a school place for September

Sirzy · 19/09/2023 17:12

Sammy900 · 19/09/2023 17:09

@myrtleWilson I was just discussing it today and it got me thinking.

If I get say, my second choice but don't really want it..could I appeal as it is my choices - won't they just say well we gave you one of your options so no ground to stand on

Your chance of appealing into that school would be the same, but by not putting anything else you’re making it so you have less choice in which school is allocated if the appeal fails. Parental preference alone is unlikely to be successful in most appeals

Sammy900 · 19/09/2023 17:15

@viques @Sirzy Aaaah thankyou that makes me feel better then..I'll stick with my 4 preferences and hope for the best

Do you know how long you have to appeal a decision once a school place is offered?

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MrsAvocet · 19/09/2023 17:29

What is your plan B if you don't get allocated your preferred school? If you are going to go private or homeschool and are 100% sure about that then yes, fine, only apply to one school.
However, if you plan to use state education then ot would be stupid to put only one preference. It will not make you any more (or less) likely to get a place in that school - places are allocated according to the published admissions criteria and you're either entitled to the place or not. If you are high enough up the list to be offered a place then you will get it regardless of whether you have listed just the one school or fully completed the form. However, if you are not offered a place, the LEA's only obligation is to offer you a place at the nearest school which still has places after everyone who fully completed their form is place - not your nearest school, or your catchment school, the nearest school with a place at the end of the process. As a general rule, what kind of schools do you think still have spaces then?? If you live in an area where the schools are over subscribed there's a fairly high probability that you will be allocated an unpopular school and it could be on the other side of town. If you don't get your first preference, surely it is better to have a less than ideal school near home than one miles away? Listing only one school gives you no advantages regarding your first preference but potentially disadvantages you significantly regarding alternatives.
Unless you have a bomb proof application or a definite non state plan B, don't do it. In fact once I had one of my children in secondary I was 99.99% certain the others would get in because of sibling priority but I still fully completed the form. Strange things can happen and mistakes do get made and it's not exactly onerous to type in the names of a couple of other ok schools just in case.

EggInANest · 19/09/2023 17:37

OP:
Use all your spaces
List the schools in the order that you prefer them
Include at least one school that you are sure you can get a place in.

There is no disadvantage to you whatsoever if you do this.

You can go on the waiting list for any school once the allocations have been done. Most LAs will automatically put you on the waiting list for any schools that were higher up your preference list.

You can appeal to any school that you put on your list but weren’t allocated. You need to demonstrate that the school offers something specific for your child that the allocated school does not: e.g a particular language class, sport or musical or extra curricular opportunity that your child follows that they offer and the allocated school does not. Or that they have the right access if your child has mobility issues etc.

Waiting lists are held according to the admissions criteria on the school’s website. Lots of places come available after the deadline for accepting or rejecting original allocations.

You are very much advised to accept whatever school is allocated: this will not disadvantage you in gaining a waiting list place later.

So many people disregard this advice, which is based on how the system works, and shoot themselves in the foot.

Good luck!

viques · 19/09/2023 17:39

Sammy900 · 19/09/2023 17:15

@viques @Sirzy Aaaah thankyou that makes me feel better then..I'll stick with my 4 preferences and hope for the best

Do you know how long you have to appeal a decision once a school place is offered?

You are not “appealing a decision” as such. Because a decision has not been made against your child personally, but your child has been refused a place because based on the schools admission criteria other children have been allocated places above your child because they are siblings, LAC, have special needs, live closer or whatever the criteria are.

An appeal however would generally be based on the fact that you think the preferred school would be a better fit for “your” child .This could be because it offers a particular subject like a specific language, because your child is musical and it has amazing musical facilities, because your child has a particular skill like maths or sport that the preferred school offers. The place would be offered if the panel felt that on balance the inclusion of your child would be of more value to your child than of inconvenience to the school.

So if your child has been offered a place, but not at your first preference school, your first reaction should be to accept that place because a) it makes no difference to an appeal or a place on a waiting list and b) your child will not be left in no place limbo which can be very unsettling.

Then go on the waiting list for the preferred school when the waiting lists open because you never know, and in some places there is a lot of churn.

Then look at what the preferred school offers that you can argue, and show, will benefit your child in an appeal.

Schools and local authorities publish the dates for appeal deadlines nearer the time.

Sammy900 · 19/09/2023 21:26

Thank you all crystal clear advice - I've got it sorted in my head now, I just had a wobble listening to other people. It's bloody stressful!

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PanelChair · 19/09/2023 23:50

There’s lots of good advice here already. All I can add is that the admissions process doesn’t give you a choice, it invites you to express a preference (which the admissions authority cannot meet if you don’t fulfil the school’s admissions criteria).

Potterinthegarden · 20/09/2023 10:16

Definitely use all your choices! I didn't really want my child to go to my 2nd choice, 3rd choice, or 4th choice but I still listed them. 2nd is a good school (and has just gone up to outstanding), but the travel would have been difficult and expensive.

It might be useful to think of it in this way, 'If my 1st choice school had to close unexpectedly and wasn't taking ANY pupils - which school would be the next best for us?' And do this for the rest of the choices (e.g. if 1st and 2nd had to close...). Might help you prioritise. Good luck!

SuperSue77 · 20/09/2023 10:17

We put down 5 choices (different areas have different number of choices) and we got 4th preference. Neighbours of mine only put the top 3 we put and got none of them and were placed in the nearest secondary that had places - a school that had just received the lowest possible Ofsted rating. We were relieved to get the school we got compared with the “Inadequate” school and we only got it because we put a better school that we had a chance of getting into on our list.

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