What Set for y7 did your dc go into for what sats result?

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Wondering what set dc went into for y7 relating to sats results
And whether you think it was sats results or primary teacher opinion
Dd has gone into set 4/5 with sats result 113

Does work slowly though so less primary classwork done. Has sped up a bit by sats time.
Got exceeding (first time) on report

Most schools review setting fairly frequently, and will move children that appear to be in the wrong set. What they use to determine initial setting probably varies, especially the weighting given to different pieces of information (KS2 results, primary teacher handover info, internal testing). They'll be entirely used to parents asking about whether their child is in the right set, so if you're concerned, email in and ask when and how setting is reviewed, and mention the slow working as an issue that may mean she doesn't always show what she's capable of.

The reply is that there's a ks2 arithmetic test today. And sets reviewed.

I cant see that impacting at all as the tests are 'too easy'. They will easily fill several sets with kids with full marks. And any that slip up after 3m of no maths..
But no clearer on why this happened and if they do have the sats data.

Also lot of pressure on dd..

I think you are over worrying here. It's very likely that the children will all be taught the same at this point of KS3, regardless of set.
The school should also have processes for making sure that student can move between sets as and when needed. If the school does not do this, then that's what I would be focussing on, not what set your child is currently in.
I'd suggest you take the pressure of your DC by not fixating on their set.

We don't have sets until year 9 and then only for Maths. DD didn't do SATS due to covid. They did cat testing at the start of year 7. Don't know if they usually do it or just because there were no data results.

Ours was based on CATs and school tests after term. SATs was about 108 I think, went into top set of state grammar.

Test went ok. Most of her set needed extra time - given the next day.
It may take a while as all sets will take the test.
Im still sure its wrong. (Well hopefully as could affect lang and science sets.later on)
But its obviously harder to move upwards as you end up missing content.

Normally they all learn the same thing this end of the first half term and then sets get moved.
Get them the CGP ks3 maths book and workbook of you're worried about them getting behind.

Our secondary chose sets according to SATS from September, with any adjustments planned for October half term unless a child was clearly in the wrong set.
This is because hot-housed SATs mean bugger all.

We set on a combination of SATs, CATs and a separate baseline test but a SAT maths score of 113 would always put you well into the top set of 4. We review sets once per term.

I dont understand why people say that 'hot housed sats mean bugger all' surely they show that the child is capable of high marks when they/the teachers/parents/tutors put in lots of effort.
One of my children isn't naturally gifted at maths, in the sense that it doesn't come easily to him but with hard work he is capable of high marks. This was evident in his year 6 sats and in his end of year exams at secondary and he has stayed in the top set.

They mean.bugger all in many instances because they were so focused and forced on teaching to the test.
Our school, like many, did very little but rewards trips and rehearsing the Leavers' show till end of term, from Mid May

I dont understand why people say that 'hot housed sats mean bugger all' surely they show that the child is capable of high marks when they/the teachers/parents/tutors put in lots of effort.

It means bugger all because hot housing SATS schools do nothing other than massive focus on English and Maths for several months, which just isn't possible in a standard secondary school where they expect you also to devote your time to studying multiple other subjects.

Top set English with result of 115, 2nd set maths with 110. They will review sets at October and then Christmas after the Christmas exams but after that no movement in sets unless performance dramatically increases or decreases.

DGS and DGD, twins, got very similar results in SATs, though DGD is better at English and DGS is better at Maths. However, secondary school has put DGD in set 1 and DGS in set 3. ( Different bands so no chance of them being in same set if that is the rationale). It is really upsetting DGS, and he is an anxious lad. School are adamant in saying no room for him to go up, though I think he would be happier in set 2 as the set he is in is noisy and he gets anxious with disruption.

The children have shown that with hard work they are capable of achieving high marks. If secondary schools, with support from parents and the students themselves, aren't able to maintain those high marks then that is on them.
There is such a focus on natural high ability in this country and a dismissing of hard work and effort. An assumption that children won't be able to maintain those high standards.
In my experience the children who are most successful are those whose teachers and parents have high expectations.

High expectations are one thing. Working hard is one thing.
Of course both these things will improve results.

However, in the UK it's not generally considered appropriate to force your child to do hours and hours of work to improve their results to the detriment of all else.

The hothousing approach used by some schools for SATS is not just the same as working harder and being more supported. If secondary school spent half the week teaching maths and the other half teaching English, then probably their maths and English results would improve. But also every other subject would suffer, some children would become disaffected and some would still not get top marks as even with all the working harder in the world individuals have a natural limit.

@redskytonights If you are capable of getting high marks in your KS2 sats then I don't think you need to be spending 'hours and hours' to maintain that level. High expectations from teachers and parents and a reasonable amount of effort from the child should suffice.

I think that if schools feel the need to use sets they should be looking much more at their own tests and evaluation, and make adjustments, or consider not doing so in the first year at secondary school.

Because SATS don't just test ability and aptitude. Results often reflect life experience, and children who have moved to this country with their families in the primary school years, children who have had to move schools because their families are in temporary housing etc, children whose parents' English isn't fluent, may be quite able but not have had time to catch up. The reading tests may refer to things which are totally outside many working class kids' experience. In short, SATs, especially reading and writing, test class and other social divisions.

Still in set 4 but hopefully moving up once theyve sorted the results from all kids. (Could be just to set 3). Got 53/60 on the test. Her friend in a higher set got 49.

For comparison her friend in a different school with slightly lower sats has gone into set 1_of 7

Awful day- she finally moved up and the teacher in set 2 had the cheek to say maybe she should move back down as she struggled. No ### someone would struggle jumping from 2 sets lower. And they had been doing the topic much longer.
No bridging work. Algebra.
We had already done a bit extra at home but they hadnt said she will be behind.
So angry. More at the lack of positivity.
I would be embarrassed about putting her in the wrong set.
Anyway she also got in trouble for something silly. He was clearly frustrated with her.

She says everyone was talking loudly too.
I had assumed the teacher might say dont worry have xyz sheet or homework etc etc.
Like is this how they trear kids who have been off?

They really needed to communicate with the other teacher and to move kids at right time - before a new topic. Even dd knew this qas why i wanted her moved straight away!.
We can probably catch up this weekend - but dont even have the homework

Depends on the cohort. Some schools do their own assessments some use SATs, but the sets should be fluid.

I now dont think i should have let them fob me off with - we are testing as set 4 was clearly not right and people should have been moved at start of year.
it could easily have been tested in week ,1 if thats what they wanted.

to be fluid they need to detail each bit of learning plan so it can be caught up. With minimum of homeworks and classworl available and given to the student.
i mean teachers arent having to mark homework as the app does it. At least they could sort out set changes properly!

In the nicest way possible, I think you need to maybe take a step back a bit. The comment from the new teacher wasn't great, but equally students always say everyone else was talking, or similar, when they get told off.

I think give it until half term to see how the new set goes, and hopefully by that time she will feel more confident in the work and in the new set.

The school have moved her up, and if you now complain about that as well, then the HoD or similar may not be as sympathetic if you need to raise a major issue in the future. Reasonable to ask what the class have covered to help her catch up, of course!

Sorry post id written confusingly . She was given a formal warning for wiping her whiteboard when she didnt realise..
She complained to me others are talking a lot compared to set 2.
I Only told her tutor because of the warning - im hoping the teacher has changed mind about that as it was clearly ridiculous. Plus i said teacher shouldnt have been so negative to dd. (When its their error). It was just not needed. (Ironically im quite negative - as you can probably tell- but this is ludicrus.
I know it sounds crazy but it is bordering on discrimination (more likely incompetence though) but the only child put in wrong set. Then moved up after shes already behind and then oh no she has to move down.. However im pretty sure they hadnt communicated the sen to that teacher (though the person originally setting may have known).
Actually clearly this teacher has no idea of dd ability and probably assumed it was just the latest test.
Imo she should probably be in set 1 but i wouldnt argue that. Because if we can iron out some silly mistakes she would be looking at full marks generally.

Honestly you just need to chill over this - at least for the rest of this year. They'll be rejigging sets for the next 3 years. You've achieved the move for DC, now is the time to not be THAT parent.

It also doesn't matter particularly which set you are in for things as long is it's not massively above or below your level.

I was in Set 4 of 6 for French at school, mainly because I was rather 'laid back' (and I already spoke fluent French so there was every reason for me to have been put in top set). Still got highest marks in the school in the GCSE... I just enjoyed the lower stress journey en route. My father had been furious that I hadn't been in Set 1, but was unable to explain how my A grade from Set 4 was lesser than an A grade from Set 1....