New head of OFSTED

[Dorunrunrun]

Thoughts?

OGAT boss set to become next Ofsted chief (schoolsweek.co.uk)

As a school governor its frustrating to see the flip-flop of inspection approaches and the impact that it has on staff workload. The rollout of Amanda S's changes has barely got started, but this guy looks like he'll halt it in its tracks and step it back to something like the previous era.

I don't understand how experienced in education people can judge only basing on the photo and complain without ecen reading the artie If that is approach of today's schools then I am concerned about my son's future education as the answers in reading comprehension will be based on the accompanying picture and not on the content.
The article states his relevant experience. It is not a random person. We have to give him benefit of the doubt before judging.

What do you think of his relevant experience @TheShorestAnswerIsDoing ? Does it give you confidence in his ability to be in charge of ofsted?

I'd already read the article before posting Have you read it? It sounds like you haven't.

The article describes his public criticisms of the current ofsted framework, implying that he has been appointed on the expectation that he will change it back to something similar to how it was pre-Amanda Spielman.

You can find it in the article if you bother to read it. Successfuly helped many underperforming schools.

Who would be better in your opinion? Somebody who doesn't have any expectations and comes for a casual chat and gives Outstanding to every school or Nanny McPhee with a magical wand?

The situation that happened with Amanda is dreadful but it would be awful if OFSTED wasn't checking schools and every school would hide behind this incident as a justification to underperformance.
I am convinced that the new head will review all of the OFSTED procedures and will improve them because that is why this role was replaced with him.

What part in your opinion is " implying" that he will change it to something pre - Amanda? Exactly basing on what words are suggesting it? I am curious to find out

I repeat, I am concerned thatschool governors judge even before the guy even started his job. I don't want my son to be educated to become a moaner who doesn't waits for tangible arguments and failstart because it is easier just to complain about everything.

You can find it in the article if you bother to read it. Successfuly helped many underperforming schools.

what makes you think I didn’t read it? I guess it depends on your measure of success and how you achieve it (and collateral damage incurred along the way) 🤷🏽‍♀️

@dorunrunrun In that case what makes you think that there will be any collateral damage? Any arguments based on anything tangible?

Did you read the bit about “flattening the grass” and yelling at kids?

So depressing. I’m a teacher with 27 years experience and this current obsession with zero tolerance and uniform’s really concerns me. Terrible appointment.

@Dorunrunrun

Do you feel that all actions of the people you are supervising are your idea?

I would be convinced only if it was him personally who yelled.

My son in Y3 had a yelling teacher. Hardly the fault of the governor of the schools. She is still teaching Y3. The person who takes care of pastoral care also yells. Yelling seems to be the way to go by at schools. Do I like it? Of course not. One out of 3-4 teachers maybe is reasonable as per my observation.

It was policy of the trust he was in charge of, according to the articles I have read. He sets the tone. The tone was to yell at kids until they cried

@Dorunrunrun

with all do respect, I do not believe that it is in the policy of the trust: " Point 11, As a teacher you are obliged to yell at kids until they cry". That would not pass.

Sorry, but that is nonsense perpetuated by the journalists looking for a sensation to write about. Especially after poor Amanda died in such awful circumstances the articles about OFSTED are keenly read.

However, I do believe that incidents of yelling there and in any school actually.

So you don’t believe the children, or the teachers that spoke out about it?

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/flattening-the-grass-whats-really-going-on-at-ogat-and-delta/

I see that you jump between " it is in the policy of the trust" and " it happened".

Those are two different things. You stated that it was in the policy: I will repeat, I do not believe that it was in their policy.

If it happened.
Yes, I believe that it may have happen. I don't think I came across the school where an odd teacher doesn't yell at kids. It is notorious. And I give hard time to teachers over that.

I'm disappointed. The constant goal post changes are unacceptable and make OFSTED not fit for purpose. On a more specific note the inconsistencies in the OFSTED reports of schools in his trust give me no confidence in either his appointment or in OFSTED's ability to fairly assess schools.

You are making no sense @TheShorestAnswerIsDoing

Do you believe the children and teachers who spoke out, or not?

@Dorunrunrun

you are not making sense. "A policy" means a policy and confirmation of it is not based on verbal rumours but it is a commitment recorded in the minutes of the Trust governors' meeting or written documents.

Just because a teacher yelled at a pupil or teachers ( plural) does not mean it was an intentional policy. Notorious yelling is awful but doesn't constitute any policy.
If it was really in the tangible policy then he would never ever become head of ofsted but had charges for child abuse. Nobody sane would put anything like that in a policy. It is nonsense.

Did you read the article?

He sounds like an manager in education, personally, I'd like OFSTED to be run by someone who has actually TAUGHT (unlike Spielman).

why would I otherwise mention that one should not judge just by looking at the photo or mentioning that he improved schools?

Simply I am careful about associating all incidents with the governor of trust. It reminds me a story about a local councillor who was first blamed for the tree that fall down on the street as if she was a direct manager responsible for the trees in the borough and not a dedicated team. And then as the team removed the tree she was accused of removing the evidence. Yeah, dragged the tree to her garden and ate it. lol The councillor's role is to establish policy for all new initiatives and it is not a manager of a regular implementation of tasks.

The same here. The head of the trust is responsible for policy. If it is not in any minutes or policy that " screaming at kids must be applied" then those are affairs at the school level with the headmaster.

Since he wasn't sacked from his role by Ofsted by unrefutable evidence of that policy then this article is just a hot air distorting the problem. that is my take on it but I appreciate that gullible people believe that the monster who had in policy "teacher ought to yell at kids" becomes head of OFSTED. I am not EOT

@TheShorestAnswerIsDoing

You are the gullible one on this.

I was referring to the bit under the title "OGAT boss criticised curriculum-focus inspections". Uf you knew how much work had gone into preparing for curriculum-focussed inspections you wouldn't disagree with me. But you don't.

Happy to come back and say "I told you so" when he publishes his change proposals.

I'm a parent (as well as a governor), and a fan of inspections in principle, but not a fan of flip-flops on policy.

Since he wasn't sacked from his role by Ofsted

Ofsted have no power to sack Heads.

The Head of the Trust sets the tone. He doesn’t need to be the actual one yelling at kids in assemblies, he creates the environment where that is considered acceptable.