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Is grade 9 the new a*

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nowinhouse · 13/06/2023 02:37

I know when they first changed the grading to 1-9 people said that 7-9 was an A. Does this still hold true? I can see more students are getting a grade 9 now so has that devalued 8's and 7's?

DD is year 10 and just sat her end of
Year exams that in her school are graded like the real thing. She got 5 9's and 5 7's. No 8's interestingly!!

She wants to be a vet so will need the highest grades and i was wondering if the 7's would be enough.

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ArcticSkewer · 13/06/2023 12:38

TeenDivided · 13/06/2023 12:35

They should be...

I suspect they won't entirely but we'll see. They are supposed to. But there's still been a few modifications eg gcse students have formula sheets that I don't think my eldest had in 2019.

TeenDivided · 13/06/2023 12:51

Yes they are supposed to be being brought back in line.
We shall see what the exam boards do in reality.

Hmmph · 13/06/2023 13:18

The bringing back in line is very harsh for this year's cohort (and next year's), who will be competing for uni places and jobs against the COVID cohort years.

It would be very interesting to compare the % who got A and A* back in the day with the 7/8/9s of now. Anyone know somewhere I can see the comparison without having to root around the internet to try and find all the myself?

Elfie1976 · 13/06/2023 13:47

7 is a solid A
8 is an A*
9 is A**

The 9 was to cream off the top A*

Eg if a grade 9 = 90% score then it was to differentiate the top of the top so above 97%

Beamur · 13/06/2023 14:06

Foggie · 13/06/2023 09:41

That's sad (about the kid who scored highest in 11+). Jolly glad mine aren't at a grammar tbh. A good few make it to Oxbridge from her school so it's not exactly low achieving.

Sad? Why?
That a smart kid who worked hard was respected by their peers?
Better than a smart kid feeling obliged to dumb down because it's uncool.
Achievement (whatever it looks like for that child) shouldn't be rubbished.

Foggie · 13/06/2023 14:29

Beamur · 13/06/2023 14:06

Sad? Why?
That a smart kid who worked hard was respected by their peers?
Better than a smart kid feeling obliged to dumb down because it's uncool.
Achievement (whatever it looks like for that child) shouldn't be rubbished.

The working hard should most definitely be respected. Achievement is irrelevant. Growth mindset!

grass321 · 13/06/2023 14:55

Foggie · 13/06/2023 10:34

Honestly, as far as thriving at university goes, I'd be more worried about students who are devastated not to get all 9s. That lack of resilience will come back to bite them on the bum once at uni.

There's a big difference between disappointment and devastation. I suspect most are in the first camp, mild disappointment and not thought about again.

WombatChocolate · 13/06/2023 19:22

Well if you compare the % who get 9/8 with the old A star, you’ll find more with the 8/9 now. If you look at the % who get 7/8/9 it will be higher than the % that had A/Astar in the last year of lettered grades.

There has been grade inflation. The reason a new grade 9 was introduced was to distinguish between upper and lower A*….and now you can do that. Now that you can get 2 grades above a 7, a 7 being an old A is still good, but it’s the 3rd grade.

When government etc categorise ‘passes’ they talk about ‘higher grade passes’ which are 7-9. So these are the more highly sought after grades.in the past, more than just an A grade would have been considered a higher grade and suitable for moving onto A Level with.

If you look at the results of the most selective schools, you’ll see huge percentages getting 9s…far more than the first years numbered GCSEs came out. For the most academic, 9 and 8 don’t quite feel equal anymore. Oxford used to talk about taking 8/9 as the same grade…but that’s now been dropped. So gradually, I’d agree that the 9 is becoming the new A star.

To be honest, it’s the same at A Level. Competitive courses at top Unis are unlikely to include Bs in their offers. For many, you probably won’t get an offer if you don’t have some predicted A star grades. For the most competitive courses at top unis such as Economic or Maths at some of the London and Scottish Unis and places like Durham or Warwick, people with 3 A star predictions at A Level don’t usually get offers for all of those places if they apply to all.

None of this is to say that a 7 at GCSE isn’t a good grade, or that an 8 is a disappointment. Absolutely not. But there are very good grades and THE top grade, and 9 is it now. The grade boundaries between 7 and 9 (ie range of grade 8) can be significant. The person with a low 8 has something quite different to a 9. Numbers were set with the ‘best’ grade with the highest number. A 10 can be added if necessary!

These grades have to serve the full ability of cohort. On one hand, a 4 is a ‘standard’ or low pass. At the bottom end, it’s a pretty low standard, but it means someone one getting it has a pass and won’t have to do it again. A 5 as a ‘good’ pass equates to a decent C of the past…or it did when the numbered system started. It’s still not a great basis for A Level. Students with mostly 5/6 would probably be recommended to consider Btecs as delivering them better outcomes than A Levels. 6 as an absolute minimum for humanities A Levels and 7 for sciences and 8 for Maths to have a chance of decent grades at A Level…although clearly someone starting with 9 is far more likely to get high grades than someone starting with 6. Those with 5/6 can often get better outcomes and offers for better courses by doing Btecs.

Not everyone can be a top academic student. More grades mean more differentiation between students..that’s all.

nowinhouse · 14/06/2023 19:41

grass321 · 13/06/2023 06:34

Although they're evidence of achievement, GCSE grades are secondary to A level predictions for UCAS offers.

It definitely puts pressure on the kids. My son will feel he's failed if he doesn't get all 9s (this has not come from us, it's just he has an academic peer group at school).

My dd too

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Qilin · 14/06/2023 19:51

Meadowfly · 13/06/2023 05:50

Hmmm. 7 is more b than a although still good imo.

No it's not.

7, 8, 9 take the place of the old A and A star.
A 9 was designed to be given to just the top few percent, rather than something lots of children are awarded - kind of the top bit of an A star and higher.

WombatChocolate · 14/06/2023 21:15

7,8 and 9 were equivalent to A/A star back when the number levels were started.
The same percentage of students who got A/A star also got 7,8,9.

Now a much bigger percentage get 7/8/9. So what does that mean? Lots who previously had a B are getting a 7. Some who got an A previously will be getting an 8.

They are quite simply not absolutely comparable and will be less and less so as time passes.

7-9 are considered higher passes. That’s it. Clearly 9 is better than 8 and 7. Astar was better than A. Astar used to be the top grade. 9 is now the top grade.

People with an 8 no longer have the top grade. They might have been an A* before and had the top grade, but now they don’t have the top grade. Those with a 7 have the 3rd grade down. An A used to be the 2nd grade and before that was the top grade. They are all good grades, but now a higher percentage get those 3 numbered grades. 3 grades are used instead of 2 to differentiate more between the top and bottom of that higher-pass cohort.

Meadowfly · 15/06/2023 05:16

A 7 might be equivalent to a but it doesn’t look, sound or feel like it. I got a mix of As and Bs (before A* came in) and I felt proud; I’d got the two highest grades. Now I might have get a mix of 5s 6s and 7s I’d be disappointed because I hadn’t got the highest grades, I’d have grades from the middle so it would have felt pretty mediocre.

redskytwonight · 15/06/2023 07:43

Meadowfly · 15/06/2023 05:16

A 7 might be equivalent to a but it doesn’t look, sound or feel like it. I got a mix of As and Bs (before A* came in) and I felt proud; I’d got the two highest grades. Now I might have get a mix of 5s 6s and 7s I’d be disappointed because I hadn’t got the highest grades, I’d have grades from the middle so it would have felt pretty mediocre.

We're also used to thinking of things out of 10. So 7/10 is a probably a good but not an excellent score.

For people not used to the GCSE ranking 9 sounds like they could have done better as well. So grades already "sound" worse than they are.

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