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Can cursive writing be taught age 12?

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ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 17:34

Not sure what to do about this so thought I'd ask here. My DS is 12 and he doesn't really write 'joined up.' I think he was starting to learn how to do it in primary school age 9/10 but then lockdown hit and it wasn't taught. Same with the second lockdown. He's now at a different, private high school and he is quite slow writing which I think stresses him. He thinks he would be faster if he could do cursive writing. The other pupils in his class can do it and I think he's competing his writing to theirs.
Can this be taught easily at home? I write joined up but I don't know if I do it correctly so don't want to teach him bad habits! Thanks.

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Daisymay2 · 23/02/2023 17:47

Slightly different, but DS struggled with his handwriting. At one stage he was assessed for dyspraxia, ( hand writing, tying shoe laces, ball sense) but was later diagnosed as dyslexic.
He was on the waiting list for a Speed up handwriting course with an OT, but she went on Mat Leave and didn't return. Later I discovered you can buy the course as a book.
Speed Up!: a Kinaesthetic Programme to Develop Fluent Handwriting Paperback – 19 Feb. 2004
I've seen it on Amazon, Dyslexia Association etc websites.

Daisymay2 · 23/02/2023 17:55

Also, does your school having a learning support team- DS private school had one, despite doing 11 plus type entrance exam. If so, they can be very helpful, in the junior part of the school they gave DS special pens to assist his handwriting. Might be worth a chat.

ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 18:08

Thanks @Daisymay2 really helpful. I'll check that book out-it sounds perfect. There's been no suggestion of dyslexia/dyspraxia. He's managing in every other aspect of school (well apart from Latin but I can't get too stressed about that).
Would learning support be interested in this? I thought they would deal with bigger issues. Not sure but school is great so maybe I'll speak to them.

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tulipsunday · 23/02/2023 18:20

If working from home I would suggest something like this msl-online.net/product/msl-handwriting-rescue-scheme/

Speed up is designed as an intervention I believe with additional resources required. The first Amazon review for it describes a bit about what it involves.

ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 18:55

Thanks @tulipsunday. That link looks good too. I just don't know how painful it's going to be to get him to work on these exercises. He gets a fair amount of homework from school already so I can see him resisting or moaning! Think I'm just looking for a quick fix which I know isn't possible.

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 23/02/2023 19:02

Could he learn to touch type and use a laptop instead?

My DD has hypermobile fingers so handwriting is painful and difficult so she has used a laptop since Y6. They can have them in all exams as well if it's their normal way of working

ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 19:07

@OhCrumbsWhereNow I don't really want to rock the boat too much by requesting this. He's not that bothered and I think wouldn't want to use a laptop. He can write no problem. I guess I'm just wondering about missing a chunk of teaching on a basic skill.

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Elieza · 23/02/2023 19:09

Is it not just a case of don’t lift your pen after you finish a word just keep going to where you would usually start writing whatever letter is next? Has your dc tried it before?

Sarahcoggles · 23/02/2023 19:12

My kids were taught at primary way too early in my opinion, it started in year 1. They could barely form the letters and they were being expected to join them up. Consequently DS1 was told at age 14 to revert to non joined up writing as the teachers couldn't read his writing, and DS2 is heading the same way. I despair, but there's nothing I can do about it. You can't make a 17 year old spend hours practising handwriting!

Letsgoforaskip · 23/02/2023 19:16

I think he could definitely learn at 12, especially as it sounds as though he is keen to. At a primary school where I worked, we taught children to write in the cursive way by always starting on the line before you form the first letter of the word, apart from with capitals. I actually changed my own handwriting at the same time and I was in my 40s! My brother also recreated his handwriting in his teens because it had always been so hard to read.

Daisymay2 · 23/02/2023 19:28

@ughtheweather In my experience the learning support team were interested in any pupil who might need help with non subject specific learning IYSWIM. In fact, we had the odd message from the Head of the Unit when he was at Uni asking for feedback on the University learning support and the stuff he got through the DSA. She is really interested in the careers and further studies of those who had her support.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/02/2023 19:29

The more he writes, the faster he will get and frequently, the joining up just happens organically - switching to a comfortable pen that he can hold easily, combined with greater fluency of thought, speeds up that process.

I detested handwriting and cursive above all else in primary - I have hypermobility and it made my hand hurt, so the moment I could, I switched to block writing and was fortunately, allowed to do so. My printed writing got better, my hands grew stronger and the day I found that a cheapie Parker fountain pen set was comfortable, felt cool in my hand and allowed both the ink and my hand to flow as smoothly as my thoughts - because I was older and had developed the language and writing skills in my head over the years - I wrote quickly and fluidly in joined up letters. I was 15.

However, for some people, it just doesn't happen; but they also become much faster using block letters and in all honesty, it's most important to be able to read what has been written in adult life, not to have have a writing style that all too often falls into the stereotype of 'doctor's handwriting' or 'the death throes of a dying spider'.

He could see whether the 'easier' joins begin to flow - en, ugh, at, le - that could increase his speed without the almost absolute full stop that starting from scratch would cause. Or does he press very hard on the paper, use a scratchy pen? If so, a lighter touch with a softer feeling pen might help.

Or he could use a (chisel tip) fat whiteboard marker on A3 (or an A3 whiteboard, they aren't expensive on Amazon) for planning things like a list of homework to cross through once he's completed them - going big with paper and pen can be far easier to learn fluidity than a chewed Bic and he won't be 'doing MORE work', which is always a bone of contention for your average adolescent.

Nimbostratus100 · 23/02/2023 19:32

cursive writing is awful, no real advantage that I can see, it isnt even any faster

ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 19:34

Thanks everyone. He tries to write joined up but it makes him much slower. I presume if he sticks with it though he will get faster. It's just unfortunate as he was about to start this age 11 I think then he moved to a different school. At his current school the kids had already covered it.
I'll chat to him and see how he feels about me speaking to learning support in school.
Edit-I've just spoken to him and asked about me chatting to LS and it's a big no. He thinks they'll keep him in at lunchtime to do work and said 'it would be embarrassing' 🤷‍♀️
We'll see how he gets on just starting on the line on the paper and practising this.

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ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 19:39

@NeverDropYourMooncup sorry I missed your post. Thanks so much for the info. I agree that it's important to be able to just read adults' handwriting and not get too hung up on the cursive writing. I'll see about different pens for him and see if that helps. He does lean really hard on the paper and I try and remind him to write lighter which will make him faster.

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PetitPorpoise · 23/02/2023 19:47

Without being obtuse, can he not just... start? I think you could be over thinking it.

It's easy enough to print off a quick guide or watch a youtube video about how to make the joins, and then he just needs to make a conscious effort to do that whenever he writes anything, or at least phases in a bit here, a bit there.

Most adults don't join every letter or write like a primary school child. It's just about having that fluency. I messed around a lot with my handwriting at that age. I went through a phase of writing really small, doing funny 'A's, trying slanted writing... I think he just just give it a whirl and see what happens.

ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 19:53

@PetitPorpoise 😂 😂 yes you're probably right. I'm a definite overthinker!

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Witchytwitchybitchy · 23/02/2023 20:23

Retired English teacher here. Absolutely not important to write using cursive script. I became very aware of how few students in secondary school used joined up writing, when my son complained how much practice they had to do in primary. It was part of Key Stage 2 assessment. After Key Stage 2, no one is interested.
Leave your son be. Most children will use computers to write in the future- cursive script will become less and less important.
if you really want to help him, get him reading interesting fiction books everyday. That’s way more important.

Pieceofpurplesky · 23/02/2023 20:30

Really not important as long as his writing is legible

Clarabellawilliamson · 23/02/2023 20:32

I teach secondary (although with a VERY different intake to your son's school!) it's a real mix of writing styles but there are some students that I really wish didn't write joined up! It can be SO difficult to read their work, especially as they reach the end of a two hour exam. Some definitely lose marks because their work is unintelligible.

Whatever he does, he needs to make sure it's clear!

ughtheweather · 23/02/2023 20:39

@Clarabellawilliamson and @Witchytwitchybitchy fantastic. Thanks so much. You've really put my mind at rest. I'll chill out a bit now 😂
I would LOVE him to read more fiction novels. He read loads up to about age 10 then just stopped. It's a constant challenge. We're trying audio books just now which he quite likes.

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