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Kingsdale Foundation School

54 replies

Eva8724 · 14/01/2023 22:42

Hello,

Would parents of years 7 or 8 children be able to share their experience of the school so far?

We are planning on going on the school tour but it would be good to hear from parents whose children attend the school.

Thank you.

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LondonHOPDad · 16/01/2023 13:00

We are Y7 so only 1 term in.

Very pleased so far. My son gave his first term a 9/10.

They do a 2 week summer school, we did 4 days of this, which was really helpful both in terms of getting a bit more familiar with the school but mainly for meeting some people. It meant on the first day he already knew quite a few faces - if you get a place I'd strongly recommend it. We also found some kids locally who were going and met up before the start of term - he is good friends now with some of these.

Our son is quite academic and sporty, and prefers to keep away from overly boisterous kids / groups generally.

He's always panicked about being late, so we signed him up for the school bus in the mornings, which is available from certain locations. Once on the bus, they are signed in as if they were in school, so if the bus is late they are not marked down as late. This removed a lot of stress he might have had, especially with all the strikes recently. Obviously you get to meet a few more local kids this way as well.

He gets the bus back and has also made some 'bus' friends.

The school seems to have a slightly longer day than others 8.40am to 3.40pm. One great thing they do is the Y8, 9 and 10 start and finish 30 minutes later than Y7 reducing the chance of bullying on the way home from slightly older year groups. Lunches are also staggered. This does mean once in Y8 they will finish at 4.10pm (and of course start later).

I believe the school took an even bigger amount of pupils this year than originally advertised at around 460. The only negative from this we have seen is that my son has a couple of lessons a week in a marquee, which is not ideal obviously.

The positive of this large intake is it is easier to find people with similar (or different) interests, characters etc.

The teaching has been really good. He didn't like geography at all in primary, and history not too much, he now loves both. He finds most of the lessons interesting. He's also doing 2 languages which was a big plus, and also seems good in terms of teaching.

He got a Maths scholorship which basically means you get some extra fun lessons a month, after school (roughly 1 a month it is meant to be I think). They are going on a Maths trip to Frankfurt in the next few months which he is really looking forward to.

Homework level is ok I think. You as a parent get an app which tells you what is due, your child also has this which is handy and allows for scheduling of when to get it done around outside of school activites etc.

The admin at the start can be a bit frustrating, and dates for clubs etc not correct but it generally works out in the end. They do have a number of clubs and again the large intake allows for quite a variety. They were generally responsive when emailed with queries. Some clubs run over lunch (which makes lunch tight for some) and some before / after school.

They have quite a few parents forums you can attend in person and online which are good as you can ask questions directly, bring up general concerns and get an update on the school.

Our son got a Gifted and Talented sports award when applying, not the Half or Full sports scholorship, but they are all treated the same once in. We got in via the general lottery therefore.

They had imperial college in last week doing science experiments with the kids which he loved and was raving about when he got home.

Each child is different and some children will not have enjoyed it but I can only speak for us and our son finds the classes interesting and challenging when required. His only real negatives are sometimes the travel back and getting homework, neither of which the school can affect. We have a happy child, who is motivated in lessons and has made some nice friends which is all we could ask for.

Good luck, it's very confusing trying to work out the right school for your child. I was sure he would hate Kingdale when we did the tour as he generally doesn't like very noisy environments etc but it was his first choice - so definitely do the tours with your child.

Eva8724 · 16/01/2023 13:40

Thanks so much @LondonHOPDad, that's very helpful! I am glad your son is enjoying the school. As you say, it is all very confusing looking at different schools but your message has certainly helped me in gaining a better understanding of the school.

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Pigsears · 16/01/2023 14:56

The obvious point is that it is very very big. There is no individual attention- unless your child is at one or other end of the scale from an academic or behaviour point of view. My child dropped 4 levels in 2 subjects and also dropped in other subjecs between reports- this was not flagged. they have absolutely no idea why and when i spoke to the school, they implied that the drop was not large enough to warrant a call... Check out their progress 8 scores which are poor. very very easy for children to fall through the cracks.
Behaviour in class is mixed. Often subjects are split between 2 teachers which makes marking and teaching spotty. dont expect the exam syllabus to be taught before exams take place- it's the norm, not the exception. Its 'normal' for whole topics to be skipped and students have to self learn.

There is zero transparency on how children are selected for the trips and positions of responsibility. everything is oversubscribed.
I have one child there- who is doing ok- not loving it- and we are scrambling to move them. siblings will not be attending unless as last resort.

on the plus side the music is very very strong. art is fantastic. they have a great sports teacher. but still, not enough to sway for all the bad stuff.

They are proposing to change their intake for 2024- adding in a fixed number of placed for disadvantaged students and local students- details are on the website.

Eva8724 · 16/01/2023 18:43

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience Pigsears. I am sorry to hear about your child's experience. I see you are trying to transfer to another school and I hope this can happen soon for them.

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LondonHOPDad · 16/01/2023 22:49

Sorry to hear that @Pigsears . It sounds like you've been in the school longer than us, and always good to hear about differing experiences. I hope the move works out well for your child.

We moved our son towards the end of primary for similar reasons - the move worked really well. If you asked most parents at both schools they would nearly all say they were great - for us though one school just didn't work for our child.

@Eva8724 pigears mentions everything being oversubscribed - I'm not sure what they mean precisely and hopefully they can clarify. Re clubs I know certain clubs with limited numbers people are allocated for a few weeks / half a term at a time (not sure how long precisely as we didn't apply). These are cycling, archery, horse riding and swimming. I believe most other clubs on the extra-curricular list you can do fairly easily (subject to what pigsears says, but this is our experience so far).

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/01/2023 09:29

It is a very large school, but we haven't found it a problem in terms of individual attention - I was actually surprised at the amount the staff seemed to pick up on regarding my DD.

I had phone calls from the Languages Dept regarding the struggles DD was having and the best way to go forward in both Y7 and Y8. Calls from the Science Dept when DD was quite clearly taking the poor teacher for a complete ride - we devised a strategy together to put a stop to that. And an email from the Art Dept in Y7 offering DD a graphics scholarship and specialist classes after school (I had no idea she was any good at that!).

I do keep in touch with the form tutor, and with the Head of Learning and they have always been extremely prompt in returning emails or calls - normally within a couple of hours and always the same day.

For context, DD is in Y9, with SEN and on a music place. She is a very confident child and has no problem in going and telling Heads of Year if she's not happy about something and advocating for what she wants, which probably makes it easier than if she was very shy and kept everything to herself.

Regarding trips, we didn't have any in Y7 due to Covid, but the Y8 trip to Paris was open to everyone. The Easter Science trip to France was clearly advertised as having limited spaces and that if oversubscribed they would pick names out of a hat. Other trips that DD has done have either been subject specific where everyone in the class has attended, or have had priority for scholars. Recent ones were the Gospel Choir day where music scholars specialising in singing were expected to attend (but others who were interested could), and the trip to the Royal Opera House where priority went to music scholars and those doing GCSE music. All explained in the emails that were sent home for permission/safe guarding sign up.

With clubs, things like horse riding they do rotations - but most of the others you can just sign up. You do have to be proactive though - the clubs, competitions and extra curricular are all optional and nobody will chase if your child doesn't want to do them.

Positions of responsibility - they seem to endlessly advertise for kids to put themselves forward to be Head of Houses. Junior Prefects have been recently appointed in Y9... 50 of them I believe. DD said she had to sign up and that you needed to have a certain level of attendance and behaviour points to qualify. Not sure how it worked for Y10. For things like school tours they ask for volunteers - it's not pre-selected.

We've been very happy with the school so far - but it is probably one that will suit some children more than others. There were schools we looked at and disliked so much we ran away from the open day, but that friends liked so much they sent their children there and love it. Horses for courses...

1forward2back · 17/01/2023 13:21

My work colleague has a daughter there and is super happy. I think if we lived near to a comp of that calibre, we would not have even looked elsewhere!

PeachPitt88 · 09/03/2023 11:43

Hi @Eva8724

just wondered - how did it go with Kingsdale? DD is on the waiting list now, in the early 20s, but not sure how it works and whether she will be offered a place. Have accepted another school on the meantime. Thinking as it’s such a busy year prospects are slim?

anyway let me know how you got on and hope you got what you were after!

Best
M

Bless3 · 13/03/2023 07:38

@PeachPitt88

My DC is single digits banding and 70s scholarship (half). Hopefully there is some movements on the waiting after the 15th.

I have read other threads..different experiences every year. Early 20s is a good sign plus it seems the 4 waiting lists moves quickly...it's the first time I am experiencing "this feeling" as my eldest got her first choice and the school wasn't oversubscribed...

Hope we all receive some good news soon 🙃

PeckhamPam · 19/03/2023 00:49

We have children in Y8 and Y12 and have been really pleased. It's big but has a strong community feel and actually quite a few classes have had 20 or less (Maths at GCSE was one). We love the music department and the sport is amazing.

Bless3 · 19/03/2023 10:47

@PeckhamPam

That's good to hear..were your children on the waiting list?

Happy Mother's Day 💐

PeckhamPam · 19/03/2023 11:19

Yes - for the first one after about 6 months.

Bless3 · 19/03/2023 13:25

Gosh..just banding/scholarship or both...hopefully I will hear some news April/May

LawrenceLawrence · 22/03/2023 16:06

Hi there all,

So I have a disappointed Son who had his heart set on Kingsdale. We were allocated our sixth choice. My son received a half sports scholarship and we are currently on both the scholarship and banding waiting lists.

I was wondering how the banding waiting list position is worked out? Any insight would be appreciated.

ghislaine · 22/03/2023 22:57

I believe it’s random - that’s what I was told when I asked what band my child was in. They added that in (I didn’t ask).

PeckhamPam · 26/03/2023 15:19

Yes, I'm not entirely sure on the banding but was told it was a lottery. That said we have lots of friends who received places within a few months and before Y7. Just hang on in there! In terms of comments above re progress - we couldn't be more pleased with progress and small classes when needed despite the large intake. We weighed it up against Harris and Charter but felt they were also big in their own way and a bit more corporate. It's hard to recruit teachers nationally for subjects like science and maths at the moment I hear and they've been upfront about that in meetings recently but Kingsdale seems to get it completely right when it comes to support for GCSE and also the pastoral side. Utterly brilliant in terms of phone calls and communication generally. Great newsletter and parents forum etc. It is a state school after all so I think what they offer is pretty astonishing.

Bless3 · 29/03/2023 00:16

@PeckhamPam

Thank you.

😊

LawrenceLawrence · 30/03/2023 09:06

Thank you!

LawrenceLawrence · 30/03/2023 09:07

Thank you!

Bless3 · 30/03/2023 12:17

@LawrenceLawrence

Hopefully we will hear something by mid/end April.
🤞🙏.

SherryNutkin · 22/04/2023 07:49

DC was in the 40s in top band on waiting list and got in mid-June. They are enjoying Kingsdale. Extra-curricular clubs, music, art, sport, parents forums are phenomenal. DC clever, interested and does very well academically but not particularly conscientious. Has same problems as other state schools including regarding teacher recruitment but although massive, teachers did seem to know DC at parents night: made comments which suggested they did have good insight into personality and progress. I’m not particularly bothered by progress 8 score or sometimes slightly random subject scores on DC’s report. DC has a lovely group of friends who are funny and sparky. Wish my school had been like this.

PetraPancake · 31/05/2023 14:38

Sorry to revive an old thread, but wanted to ask why are people so keen on Kingsdale despite the fact its Progress 8 scores are so average? I don’t understand why it’s the school of choice round our way. Is it just because of the Ofsted outstanding rating?

uhio989 · 31/05/2023 16:12

Surely, it's because for a lot of people it's the best secondary option around especially for boys.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 31/05/2023 16:45

PetraPancake · 31/05/2023 14:38

Sorry to revive an old thread, but wanted to ask why are people so keen on Kingsdale despite the fact its Progress 8 scores are so average? I don’t understand why it’s the school of choice round our way. Is it just because of the Ofsted outstanding rating?

Because it was the best school for my child.

  • Some of the best music provision of any state school in the country.
  • Incredible selection of Arts focused courses for GCSE.
  • Very wide choice of extra-curricular clubs
  • Not overly draconian on the discipline front
  • Very big school - more chance of DC finding friendship pool and more chance of always having enough kids to run things.
  • Great for very academic kids but they don't expect everyone to get 18 A stars
  • Had a very happy, warm atmosphere when we looked round. The staff we spoke to were all nice and welcoming and seemed interested.

We looked at over 12 schools so I had a lot to compare with. Vast majority of those were also Ofsted Outstanding, but I wasn't that interested in that.

Progress 8 doesn't particularly interest me either. DD has severe SEN but very bright... was more interested in how they would manage that.

We've been there for 3 years and honestly have nothing to complain about - school has been what we hoped for and more. Teachers all know my child as an individual and have massively improved her self-esteem when it comes to academics. She's no longer failing the way she was in Primary and more importantly she's happy.

PetraPancake · 31/05/2023 16:50

Thank you for replies. I guess P8 is not the be-all and end-all.