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AI chatbot doing kids' homework for them - undetectable

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noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 01:27

The robot apocalypse is upon us - an AI can now produce essays that cannot be picked up by plagiarism software. The Telegraph is breathlessly reporting that teachers are begging the government to solve the problem.

I've been playing around with the AI, and it is, indeed, impressive. It can produce perfectly reasonable essays in response to exam questions, in whatever style that you request; and not just essays, it can answer maths and science questions (and indeed any subject) with step by step explanations

Should teachers be worried? Probably. My DS reports that he has already heard of kids using it to do their homework.

How can we combat this?

Well, for English and humanities teachers, I would advise that you make an account and chat with the AI yourself. Feed it questions, see what it comes up with. It does come up with different answers each time you ask, but with strong similarities. If you feed your essay question in enough times, in enough ways, you should be able to spot AI generated answers.

The other solution is to only bother marking work that the students have produced in class, in test conditions - this is a policy I've had as a maths teacher for years. As a correct answer is a correct answer, who knows if it was produced by the pupil, their tutor, their parents, or the kid they hang out with at break time?

Parents: Try to encourage your kids not to cheat as in the end the AI can't sit their exams for them.

The software won't be free forever. But who knows what is coming next?

chat.openai.com/chat

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Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2022 15:06

Genuinely couldn't because it would have to meet so many details about formatting and use three genre films as influence. Word count is 1000 but see what it cones up with on:

Write an extract from a screenplay in which you introduce a main character.

They'd have to show genre so make it sci fi.

TeenDivided · 31/12/2022 15:06

Even I know those uses of quotes was poor. The first was far too long, and the second didn't support the point!

I wonder if it can do RE, eg 'Explain differing Christian beliefs on abortion'?

Legacy · 31/12/2022 15:06

thecatfromjapan · 31/12/2022 15:03

Dd tried it on one of her university essay titles.
She said the result was good. At the very least, it gave a really good basic structure for an essay.

She, like a poster above, reported an issue with fabricated citations.

I'm guessing that will improve, though.

There's a different piece of essay-writing software, Quillbot, which gives proper academic sources and will also let you summarise/rewrite stuff to avoid plagiarising...

Katapolts · 31/12/2022 15:08

thecatfromjapan · 31/12/2022 15:03

Dd tried it on one of her university essay titles.
She said the result was good. At the very least, it gave a really good basic structure for an essay.

She, like a poster above, reported an issue with fabricated citations.

I'm guessing that will improve, though.

I could definitely see the attraction of using this to give you the basic structure and themes of an essay that you then just need to do a bit of editing and back up your arguments with quotes/citations.

Kind of like starting from a first draft rather than just a blank page! It will be very tempting to use.

SheWoreYellow · 31/12/2022 15:09

Gosh, I signed up and got it to make a lovely bit of background on a group of cancers, their risk factors and how the success of an awareness campaign could be measured.

Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2022 15:09

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 15:04

But you're asking for a handwritten submission, so writing a handwritten essay from scratch versus copying one from a screen means that the lazy student would go for copying anyway?

I genuinely don't think they would. Why when it's only homework? Are we imagining a world where they care that much? The ones who really care don't cheat....

This would be different in countries with regular graded assignments but seems not terribly useful in UK system.

Any subjects in the UK with NEA have so many requirements that a student couldn't circumvent them all.

igglo · 31/12/2022 15:09

sammac82 · 31/12/2022 15:00

I think they are now saying AI can make art and compose music that rivals that of accomplished human artists and musicians. I find it quite sad but I suspect it probably is over for humantiy at least in our current form over the next couple of hundred years.

AI does not have feelings, that's what make us humans. It can create all things but it does not feel anything. Perhaps it will change in time (like in the movie with the white big fat medical assistant robot which can detect humans' feelings) but for now we can just appreciate that feelings (good and bad) are our own's treasure.

Katapolts · 31/12/2022 15:11

Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2022 15:09

I genuinely don't think they would. Why when it's only homework? Are we imagining a world where they care that much? The ones who really care don't cheat....

This would be different in countries with regular graded assignments but seems not terribly useful in UK system.

Any subjects in the UK with NEA have so many requirements that a student couldn't circumvent them all.

If I didn't care much about my homework, I'd copy it rather than write it myself from scratch.

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 15:12

I genuinely don't think they would. Why when it's only homework? Are we imagining a world where they care that much?

Kids have copied their maths homework from their mates since forever.

Copying homework means you don't get told off for not having done it.

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noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 15:13

TeenDivided · 31/12/2022 15:06

Even I know those uses of quotes was poor. The first was far too long, and the second didn't support the point!

I wonder if it can do RE, eg 'Explain differing Christian beliefs on abortion'?

There are a wide range of Christian beliefs on the topic of abortion, and it is not uncommon for Christians to hold differing views on this issue. Some Christians believe that abortion is always wrong, while others believe that it may be acceptable in certain circumstances.

One view that is held by some Christians is that abortion is always wrong because it involves taking a human life, which is considered sacred by many religious traditions. This view is often based on the belief that life begins at conception, and that abortion is therefore equivalent to murder. These Christians may argue that abortion is never justifiable, no matter what the circumstances may be.

Another view that is held by some Christians is that abortion may be acceptable in certain circumstances, such as when the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest, or when the mother's health is at risk. These Christians may argue that the moral weight of these circumstances justifies the decision to have an abortion.

It is important to note that there is no one "correct" Christian view on abortion, and that different Christians may hold a range of beliefs on this issue. Ultimately, each person's beliefs on this topic are shaped by their own experiences, values, and interpretations of their faith

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noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 15:14

So that is vague on which different groups of Christians hold each belief, but I bet you could interrogate it further to get those answers.

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noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 15:16

Piggy I asked: Write an extract from a science fiction style screenplay in which you introduce a main character

INT. SPACECRAFT - DAY

We see a close-up of a pair of piercing blue eyes. They belong to JASMINE (30), a fierce and talented astronaut who has dedicated her life to exploring the galaxy.

As the camera pans out, we see that Jasmine is strapped into her seat on the spacecraft, staring intently at the controls in front of her. She is focused and determined, with a no-nonsense attitude that commands respect.

Suddenly, the alarm blares, jolting Jasmine out of her concentration. She quickly checks the readings on her console and realizes that something is wrong.

JASMINE
(to herself)
Come on, Jasmine, think. What's the problem here?

She scans the data frantically, trying to find the source of the issue. After a moment, she finds it - a malfunctioning component that could jeopardize the entire mission.

JASMINE
(to the rest of the crew)
Guys, we've got a problem. The phase inverter is offline. I need to go EVA and fix it.

The rest of the crew nods in agreement, knowing that Jasmine is the only one who can handle a task like this. She unbuckles her seatbelt and stands up, ready to face whatever challenges lay ahead.

As Jasmine prepares to head out into the vast expanse of space, we see the determination and bravery that make her the perfect candidate for this high-stakes mission.

FADE TO BLACK.

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pinkismyfav · 31/12/2022 15:17

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sammac82 · 31/12/2022 15:17

@igglo I agree but I don't think its too long before people chose to merge with AI technology in some way through implants etc. I'm not really for it myself.

TeenDivided · 31/12/2022 15:19

I am genuinely amazed and somewhat worried by this.

Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2022 15:20

Katapolts · 31/12/2022 15:11

If I didn't care much about my homework, I'd copy it rather than write it myself from scratch.

I wouldn't hand it in...

Copying takes ages!!

Instead you can just write twenty lines of crap on Mercutio.

Tbh, the questions above aren't how GCSE essays are framed anyway.

OverCCCs · 31/12/2022 15:24

I’m very curious if the sample essays OP got the AI to generate would be flagged by a plagiarism checker. Are they truly new content or just pulled piecemeal from the data used to build the chatbot in the first place?

Shesasuperfreak · 31/12/2022 15:31

Write a letter to school requesting holiday leave for a child

Dear [School],

I am writing to request holiday leave for my child, [Child's Name], for the period of [dates of requested leave].

I understand that it is important for students to attend school regularly, but I have made arrangements for [Child's Name] to go on a family holiday during this time and it is not possible for us to change the dates.

I have spoken to [Child's Name] about the importance of catching up on any missed work upon returning to school and he/she is willing to put in the extra effort to ensure that he/she does not fall behind.

I hope that you will consider my request for holiday leave and allow [Child's Name] to take a brief absence from school. I understand that a letter of permission from a parent or guardian is required for any absence from school and I am happy to provide this.

Thank you for your understanding and I look forward to your response.

Sincerely, [Your Name

Shesasuperfreak · 31/12/2022 15:32

You can get it to write formal letters.

multivac · 31/12/2022 15:34

I asked it to produce a model text for a Y6 classroom, exemplifying fronted adverbials, and in the form of a short narrative. It produced an entirely suitable story about a boy named Jack, going for a run. I then asked it to make it more diverse and inclusive; and it switched all the pronouns to they/them - no other changes.

I asked what else it could have done, and it talked about including references to different ethnicities, life experiences and disabilities. I then asked why it hadn't done that at first, and it apologised and adjusted the story accordingly.

It's still in the learning phase, which is why it's been made free; every interaction is informing how it develops, so leaving feedback is really important. I am finding it endlessly fascinating - including the limitations (it is shite at song lyrics!). It won't remain gratis forever though!

Shesasuperfreak · 31/12/2022 15:35

Ohhh you can get it to solve mumsnet questions such as how to get a guest to leave !!!

I wonder what other mumsnet conundrums can it solve

Write a polite sms telling my friend that they have overstayed their welcome and could they make arrangements to go home

Hey [Friend],

I hope this message finds you well. I just wanted to touch base with you about your current stay with us. I know that you have been here for a while now and I am starting to feel a bit overwhelmed.

I know that you have been going through a tough time and I have been happy to offer you a place to stay, but I think it might be time for you to start making arrangements to go home. I hope you understand that I need some space and time to take care of myself and my own responsibilities.

I am still here for you and I will do whatever I can to help you get back on your feet, but I think it would be best if you started making plans to return home. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this process.

Take care, [Your Name

Shesasuperfreak · 31/12/2022 15:37

Tell my mother in law to stop secretly cleaning my house when I am not there

Dear [Mother-in-law],

I am writing to ask you to please stop secretly cleaning my house when I am not there. While I appreciate your desire to help and your efforts to keep my home clean, I must ask you to respect my boundaries and not enter my home without my permission.

I understand that you may have different cleaning habits or standards than I do, but it is important to me to maintain control over my own space. I ask that you respect my decision to handle my own cleaning and not enter my home without my knowledge or consent.

I hope you can understand my perspective and respect my boundaries. I value your relationship and I hope that we can continue to have a positive and respectful relationship moving forward.

Sincerely, [Your Name

FluffyYucca · 31/12/2022 15:38

I swear this is already in use for some of the posters drafting letters and texts for an OP!

Shesasuperfreak · 31/12/2022 15:40

I agree they sound they same as what I have read on here

Shesasuperfreak · 31/12/2022 15:41

Last one! Its fun to write some mumsnet aibu

Tell my family that I will not be hosting Christmas next year as I have been hosting it for 6 years and I want a rest

Dear Family,

I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to let you know that I have decided not to host Christmas next year.

As you know, I have been hosting Christmas for the past 6 years and I have really enjoyed it. However, I feel like I have been doing it for a long time and I would like to have a break. I need some time to recharge and focus on myself for a change.

I know that this may come as a surprise and I apologize if it causes any inconvenience. I hope that you can understand my decision and that we can find another solution for Christmas next year.

I am still very much looking forward to spending the holiday with all of you and I can't wait to see what the future holds.

Take care, [Your Name]

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