Can I take the 11plus for grammar school which located in different council?

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Since I'll move to other area in next year, but I want my kid can remain to the existing primary school until he graduated.

What should I do if I want him to apply 11 plus for the area which I will moved to?

Can I apply the exam if I'm not their council right now? (I would like to move to that area in year6 summer...)

Is that possible?

Or I should move to the area first before apply the 11+exam?

Many Thanks for your opinions!!

Yes you can I think - we looked in to applying for tiffin and didn’t but could have and we are not in kingston

You need to check the admissions criteria for the schools you are interested in as they vary a lot. How far away is the area you are moving to? Presumably some distance if you can't commute back to the primary school. There are only a few schools that admit purely on score. Some reserve a percentage of places for those living within a few miles of the school, so anyone can get a place, but competition is tougher if you don't live in the catchment. In some areas you need to pass the test and then admission is based on distance, so you realistically won't get a place if you aren't within a certain distance.

Areas also vary on when you need to be in the area. Many base it on your address when you apply prior to Oct 31st. Some areas like Bucks expect you to have been resident for longer.

So you should be able to register and sit the test, but in some areas, you may need to have moved by Oct of year 6.

Really depends on the area. I'm in Bucks and the residence criteria are strict, particularly about dates, as are the catchments.

You can register for it but realistically few selective state schools do not apply distance based criteria when allocating places, or have a limited number for highest scores alone. What area are you looking at?

I believe for Southend grammar schools you can as there are plenty of children coming from outside the area - even Kent (why would you do that to your child?). The pass mark for those outside catchment though is higher than those within Southend and increasingly taking more children from the local area first. Going by the amount of coaches and children getting off the train each day there are still many coming in.

It depends on the application criteria in the area you're interested in.

As an example, we're in the West Midlands, and it's certainly possible to take the 11 plus for both the Birmingham Consortium and the Shropshire, Walsall and Wolverhampton Consortium if you live outside those areas.

In terms of actually applying to schools once your child has passed the test, you will have to check the policies on the individual schools. For example, for the above consortia, some of the schools are truly super-selective and offer places purely on score, in which case it doesn't matter where you live: it has been known for children to travel daily from Manchester or Milton Keynes to go to school in the West Midlands. However, others operate catchment areas so there are very few or no places available to children living outside the catchment. In terms of when you'd have to move into an area to be eligible for a place at a particular grammar school, you'd have to check the admission policy for that school.

Here in Gloucestershire you can live anywhere at all and attend our state grammar schools. We don't have catchment areas and no priority is given to those who give locally - places are allocated purely on scores. As a result many children come from other counties, and some travel a VERY long way to school every day.

Depends
There are no Grammar schools in our town so people apply to the 2 in the next town that are in a different LEA
The problem is that when offering places they do take distance into account so the further away you live the higher you need to score

It depends entirely on the admissions criteria for the school. Grammars in my area introduced a catchment a few years ago meaning that you must live in the catchment when you apply in October of Y6.
Check whether the criteria apply on application to the school, or whether you must meet the criteria when sitting the entrance exam.

Just to point out that you can actually take the 11+ for any area.

Some of the so-called 'super-selectives' offer places according to score and it's up to you whether you think the journey/travel time is worth the effort. Others have catchment areas and it's a complete waste of time sitting the exam if you are outside of the catchment area. Your DC could score the highest score of all time, and they still wouldn't get a place.

Technically, though, you can't be prevented from sitting the exam.

Some of the answers above are wrong. This is not up to the school, nor does it depend on the admission criteria. Even if a grammar school has a formal catchment, it cannot refuse to admit pupils from outside that area if it has places available. And a school definitely cannot refuse to admit pupils just because they fall under a different council. So they answer is that yes, you can apply to sit the 11+ for a school in another council's area. The school's website should tell you how to apply. However, after your child has taken the 11+ and you have received the result, you will have to apply to your LA for a place at the grammar school(s) (assuming your child passes the 11+). If you haven't moved reasonably close to the grammar schools, your chances of getting a place will be low if the use distance as part of their admission criteria.

But if a grammar school does not even have places for all those in stated set catchment that pass, as happens with my local schools, the OP needs to be aware of that before entering their child in order to manage their expectations. Hence me recommending they look at the admissions criteria for the school(s) concerned.

@W00t

But if a grammar school does not even have places for all those in stated set catchment that pass, as happens with my local schools, the OP needs to be aware of that before entering their child in order to manage their expectations. Hence me recommending they look at the admissions criteria for the school(s) concerned.

I agree. The admission criteria can't stop you taking the 11+, but they may mean there is no point doing so.

Yes, that's right @W00t, if a school has never awarded places beyond, say, 12 miles and you live 30 miles from it, it's kind of pointless putting DC through the stress of the exam for no purpose. (And actually doing so might also have an adverse effect on a child who would otherwise have got in, so it's also pretty selfish.)

So what is legally allowed and what is sensible may not be the same thing…

Thanks for all of your reply! They are very useful!!

The fact is I don't want to move to the new house so early because they are still studying in existing primary school and it's only walking distance to the school right now...so convenient!

However, the next house also not very far from here, it only take 8-10 mins to drive but it had been falling into the other council...

If I want to apply the 11 plus exam, I should use the new address via the council obviously...the only way is to move to the new house in Oct in year 6 before the application.

Please correct me if my understanding is wrong.

Then I can ask for the school directly for their application criteria in next step.

Thank you so much indeed!

To be considered from new address you need to be living there by end of October at the latest. You can keep existing school place for year 6. However some LA would not accept it if the previous address is also still yours and local and a few require longer residency than just for the application deadline. Which area is it, some 11+ registrations close in summer term of year 5.

Admissions criteria for the school will likely be on their website (along with the registration dates for the entrance exam), but they would also be on the LA website to view, so you will be able to see what they are now.

You do not need to be at the new address to apply for the 11+. You do need to be at the new address by the time you apply for places in October.

you pretty much need to research school by school. near us there are both 'super selectives' which treat all admissions equally regardless of where they come form & more traditional grammars which give varying degrees of preference to local applications.

The grammars in my next county, Lincs, let kids in in order of score and just use distance as a tie-break.

As others have said it is dependent on area. In Bucks for example, you have to be resident by the time you apply. The deadline is the end of October. 11+ is taken in the 2nd week of Sept and the results are usually out around 20th October. That gives you just over a week before the deadline.

You will need to have moved in the summer between year 5 and year 6 - or very early in year 6 at the latest

Sorry, by apply, I meant apply for a school place, not for the 11+. You can apply for the 11+ from anywhere in the country. However it is getting harder and harder to get into a grammar school if you live out of catchment, so even if they pass you need to ideally be living in catchment by Oct of year 5.

Yes for Bournemoutb/Poole. Bournemouth girls school historically have taken the top 130 scorers (no matter where they live) and then allocated the rest of the places. The Boys school take the top scores within distance. But you could sit the exam and move before applications.