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London catchments - where to buy?

16 replies

Cantunscrambleanegg · 23/10/2021 16:53

We’re looking to move back into London in the next year. DD’s Yr5, pretty good academically but not amazing. Loves sports. (DS Yr2 but we’re not particularly bothered about whether they go to the same secondary or not - he’s more 11+ material really.)

We both work in central and so don’t want to go too far out, but happy to commute a bit.

I know nothing about what are the amazing secondary schools to be keeping in mind re catchments/ areas to visit. Hit me with them please wise ones!!

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SquirmOfEels · 23/10/2021 17:25

Most of London does not have catchments.

It's all by distance, and that can vary between years. So you need to be very close to a school you really like the look of, with reasonable other ones nearby which you might be close enough to.

Then you also might want to look out for schools which are selective or partly selective, or have apititude places (where distance might not matter). Kingsdsle is a lottery (literally) but I can't think of any others which are. Some will have faith criteria, and some have fair banding, so even if you don't want your DD to sit a selection exam, she might need to do a banding test (don't miss the date). And then there are some which have feeder primaries, and if your DD is not attending one by the application deadline then they might not be a realistic prospect. Single sex schools sometimes have larger admissions footprints than coed.

When you say you want central, how far out are you prepared to go, and which bits of London would you prefer (commuting routes, previous area etc)?

crummyusername · 23/10/2021 17:28

Need some idea of budget?

TheWayTheLightFalls · 23/10/2021 17:46

You need something to narrow down the search OP. Where do you (and any partner) need to commute to?

SouthLondonMommy · 23/10/2021 20:53

What's your budget?

Needmoresleep · 23/10/2021 21:51

Wandsworth is normally a good bet. A number of very popular primary schools and worth checking the Graveney catchment.

Cantunscrambleanegg · 23/10/2021 23:23

Thanks all. Budget around 1m. Jobs in South Ken and Green Parkish so district/circle/ victoria would be ideal.

I work in and love south ken but wouldn’t hope to find a family home with our budget! I’ve heard good things about Wandsworth too ref nice family feel but honestly most of our friends have left london now so we don’t feel a particular pull to a particular area - which all feels a bit overwhelming really for where to start.

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MsFogi · 23/10/2021 23:31

Bromley/Bickley/Chislehurst/Petts Wood - depending on location catchment for some or all of Kent and Bexley grammars and Bromley super selectives and decent non selective secondary schools. Loads of amazing primary schools. Bromley/Bickley/Petts Wood trains to Victoria.

elkiedee · 24/10/2021 16:43

Schools will publish a list of criteria - they have to do some things like giving priority to Looked After Children (kids in the care system, whether this is in residential or foster care), then they may have sibling policies (but as you say, it's generally not so important whether kids go to the same secondary if they're able to get there independently of you.

There isn't a catchment but as others have said, there is a distance criteria which will be used if there are more applications for a place at a school then there are places available. So distance will depend on the ratio between applications and distance.

I live in London and have sons in year 10 and year 8 at secondary. My boys both chose the local secondary school - this isn't oversubscribed though it is getting more popular and has increased its number of classes in both their years (not for all years I don't think). If it had been oversubscribed we;re only 5 minutes away from school and the next nearest co-ed (which is OFSTED outstanding, 11-16, in a working class area and has been oversubscribed in recent years) is 2 km from our house..

The other thing is that in some areas of London, oversubscription has become less of an issue - many primaries are struggling with falling school rolls and families moving and out of their area.

We also have a girls secondary school which is in a more middle class part of the borough but very accessible by bus from here and is popular with girls in this area. Unlike our local secondary schools which are all 11-16, it has a 6th form. However, it has been hit by funding cuts.

What do you think about sets rather than mixed ability teaching? If you feel your DD is less academic maybe being in a more flexible mixed ability setting with various options and paths and mixing academic/non academic options would be better for her. If she's sporty you might want to look at schools which have better facilities to suit her. For example, a friend wasn't happy with the school my kids go to for her son and moved him to another school which has a lot less outdoor space than the local one - her dd in year 7 has gone to the girls' school. The kids' school has its own gym and football pitches but has also arranged with the local sports centre only 10 minutes walk away to use their facilities for some PE lessons while doing some renovation work.

A lot of posts here about good schools are from parents who are high achievers themselves and prioritise exam results and high status. Their choices might be ideal for your younger child but not for your year 5 DD.

We live in an area of London which has a difficult reputation but we have a park across the road, 2 minutes from our house, and another 5 minutes from the house next to the boys' secondary school. And there are loads of others. For us, these are things which are really good about living here, and DS1 has lots of friends living really close - one on our street about 10 houses away!, 2 or 3 just round the corner. DS2's best mate is about 15 minutes walk away from us, 10 minutes from school, so it's easy for DP to go and pick him up (at 12 I want to encourage him towards independence but I'm not keen on him coming home alone in the dark, particularly now as evenings draw in. I think I'm actually more protective of my sons than my mum and stepdad were of me. I tear up and worry a bit about every report of knife crime, including murders of (and by) kids no older than DS1,

Anyway, what I'm saying is look at areas and schools which will suit your family and your kids, not just those which have the best image and reputation. I grew up myself in an inner city area followed by a move a mile down the road to a slightly more middle class area, but I don't think my experience of growing up in the latter was necessarily better (or worse) than the first. I didn't like our second house as much, though we probably did need the extra rooms, and I had a smaller bedroom with no chimney so couldn't have a gas fire. We had more problems with burglary in the second house, partly because the layout of the street actually made things easier for burglars than in the working class area. We had a family of very lovely neighbours who I'm still in touch with and brought a lot to my teen years, 2 doors down, but on the other side of us, we had a neighbour who really shocked me. I was being bullied at school and everyone was saying I was a lesbian - not that there is anything wrong with being one but I was the target of homophobic and other bullying, This gossip reached the ears of our neighbour who I then heard telling her DD that she shouldn't come round to play with my brother and sister on our swings because I was so "weird". How can someone be that nasty to a very shy 13 year old.?

elkiedee · 24/10/2021 16:57

I meant to say, the oversubscription or not of schools 2 years ago might have changed a great deal for your DD and again for your younger one.

The Victoria line runs north/north east more than south, but also connects well with lots of South London rail lines at Vauxhall if you want to stay that side. The Piccadilly line also serves both Green Park and South Kensington. Victoria and Piccadilly lines are generally much faster than the District and Circle. My nearest tube station is 10 minutes from Kings Cross, probably 25 from Green Park.

For an older child who's less likely to get into a selective school, staying in a grammar school system doesn't seem to prioritise her needs. She might be better off at a really good comprehensive with good sports facilities and possibilities for vocational courses or an academic and vocational mix, and most areas then do have more selective/ grammar choices if that does turn out to be the thing for your younger one.

My dad's kids from his second marriage moved to London with their mum and both went to the best possible selective state schools, in my sister's case. They could have stayed on in the sixth form but both chose a sixth form college with a very good reputation and went to medical school.

EdgeOfTheSky · 25/10/2021 00:25

In S London move on to the doorstep of Charter (North or East Dulwich) , Dunraven (Streatham Hill), for example.

dizzydizzydizzy · 25/10/2021 18:08

Bromley/Orpington/Petts Wood, near a train station.

Very good primaries and secondaries. Boys and girls super selectives in Orpington.

puffyisgood · 25/10/2021 18:55

OP doesn't mention religion, many of the most popular London non-selective state secondaries are [one flavour or another of] Christian, a letter from a clergyman confirming a good record of attendance is usually enough to get you in, often from a fairly decent-sized catchment.

sammyvine · 25/10/2021 23:26

Muswell Hill?

Alexandra Park School is rated very highly on here.

SouthLondonMommy · 26/10/2021 07:17

As ridiculous as it sounds £1m won't get you a substantial home in inner London. The Charter North Dulwich would be great but homes in the catchment can be very expensive.

I think you'd be better looking in outer London areas like Beckenham which have some great state schools at primary and secondary level and also are closer to the Kent grammar schools so those can also be an option (Newstead Wood and St Olave's). The trains into London are good as well.

EdgeOfTheSky · 27/10/2021 10:43

This would get you into Charter
www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/113578208#/?channel=RES_BUY

Or this

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/115114334#/?channel=RES_BUY

For Dunraven this

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/112947104#/?channel=RES_BUY

Or this

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/114887813#/?channel=RES_BUY

Or many more in the area. Plus a choice of Bishop Thomas Grant If catholic, a shot at Kingsdale (Admission by Lottery, with increased chance if there is a possibility of a music aptitude or sports scholarship place, travel on the P13 bus), or a shot at a selective place at Graveney.

puffyisgood · 27/10/2021 10:56

@EdgeOfTheSky

This would get you into Charter www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/113578208#/?channel=RES_BUY

Or this

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/115114334#/?channel=RES_BUY

For Dunraven this

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/112947104#/?channel=RES_BUY

Or this

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/114887813#/?channel=RES_BUY

Or many more in the area. Plus a choice of Bishop Thomas Grant If catholic, a shot at Kingsdale (Admission by Lottery, with increased chance if there is a possibility of a music aptitude or sports scholarship place, travel on the P13 bus), or a shot at a selective place at Graveney.

You mention Graveney, somewhere like this would I think get you in on catchment, though of course it'd be important to check properly. I really like the area other than the IMO slightly sketchy transport links, not IMO suitable for say two parents who commuted five days per week. And, yes, I know it's not an awful lot of house for your money.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/112551932#/?channel=RES_BUY

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