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DD unhappy at Secondary School

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Sussexmum6 · 22/06/2021 22:29

So for context my dd is 12 in yr7, is a quiet individual probably more so at school, but also at home. I get next to no information about how school has been or is going. In hindsight alarm bells should have rung about 6 weeks ago when kids were with cousins talking about school and friends, my dd mentioned friends names from outside school and went deadly quiet whilst the others spoke.

About 10 days ago she casually mentioned she wanted to change schools, when asked if anything was the issue said no. So I didn't take any notice and just told her to get on and expand her circle of friends. She since has carried on with asking about changing schools, which has promoted me to get her to open up and share details. She started off by being vague and saying the children are rude. I've then asked her to elaborate and after a few days of cajoling she mentioned that a boy called her a Neek - which apparently means dull and boring person. She is a gentle and sensitive person and was crying when she told me. However thinking it's just a one off thing we reassured her and told her to speak up for herself and ignore the person. She still wants to move school, so asked her to tell me if there was anything else and someone didn't want to sit next to her and created a fuss, another said she should be in a zoo, has monkey ears, put some gunk in her hair, and another said she has no friends, is a snitch/snake.

I feel like I've let her down. She's told me all this on the proviso that I don't tell the teachers as she seems petrified that children will call her a snitch.

I am lost what do I do, I've been trying to tell her to have some type of smart response that she can say back and that soon these children will stop saying nasty things to her. But I know she won't. Is this classed as bullying, I know it's not full on but it is upsetting my daughter to the point she is crying and refusing to go to school.
I will be talking to the teachers but equally don't want to make things worse for her. She is a very sensitive soul and was in tears today as a boy called her a snake whenever he saw her.
Why are kids so mean. Are teachers discreet when dealing with stuff like this.

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Lockdowndramaqueen · 22/06/2021 22:36

Yes this is bullying - you should def speak to school. Maybe head of year or pastoral lead. Sounds like she needs a bit of help making friends / they often have activities/ clubs to help quieter kids do this. If she wants to leave your intervening is not going to make it worse and may make it better. Good luck and so sorry for your dd.

Hellocatshome · 22/06/2021 22:41

Do not give her witty come backs to say when children are saying nasty things to her it absolutely doesn't work and only exists as a technique on Mumsnet. Definitely speak to the Head of Year explain how DD only told you these things on the basis you wouldnt speak to the school and you don't want to break that confidence in case she stops telling you things. They should be subtle and they should find ways of DD finding like minded children she can form friendships with.

stclair · 22/06/2021 22:48

Oh poor her. My dd 11 is also having a difficult time at school. A teacher initially noticed she seemed down so this kicked off counselling through well-being. I’ve spoken to the head of year 7 as dd didn’t think the school would do anything about the nasty comments she receives and is also very worried about being the snitch. Anyway, the school has spoken to her over the last couple of days in order to help her come up with a plan to deal with it. So fingers crossed. It is harder at the moment as very few clubs on so pretty much stuck with classmates only.

Sussexmum6 · 22/06/2021 23:02

Thank you for your responses, I've just emailed the head of year, let's see what they say. Absolutely heartbreaking, didn't anticipate any of this.

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roadwarrior · 23/06/2021 13:05

Definitely talk to the school, and don't give her witty comebacks. I was quiet and shy at school and often harassed by a girl who was older than me. My mother used to tell me to just act mildly annoyed and give them a smart comeback. Never worked. I was just too quiet and shy and anything I did squeeze out of my mouth just sounded desperate.

Sussexmum6 · 23/06/2021 13:45

Okay good to know. It's not just one person it's seems there's a whole bunch of them saying mean stuff not necessarily as a group but 3/4 boys that are being cruel. Difficult as she's so scared she won't open up in detail and just gives me the bare minimum. Initially when I didn't have the full picture I wasn't keen on moving her school, but now I am thinking a clean break maybe good for her.

Current school could move class for one child but I'm guessing it will be unlikely for them to move all of them. I guess they maybe able to move her into a new class. I don't know. Am meeting her form tutor tomorrow let's see what she says.

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NakedNugget · 23/06/2021 14:05

I would pull my dd out of that school immediately. Why should she have to put up with that shit? Not all kids are arseholes, my dd12 would absolutely not treat your dd like that and would befriend her in a heartbeat.

Does she have friends at all? Can you pull her out of that school for a new one/homeschool?

PiccalilliChilli · 23/06/2021 14:20

I was that quiet girl who just wanted to keep herself to herself. A girl in my class bullied me and I was told by my parents and teachers to just ignore her and she'll get bored. Well she didn't and one day I totally snapped after she pulled my hair...and I ended up hitting, scratching and kicking this girl. I ended up in front of the head who said this behaviour was very out of character for me. I got detention. This was in the early 90s though. I hope things have moved on regarding bullying and I hope you can sort something out for your DD.

Sussexmum6 · 23/06/2021 14:30

@NakedNugget She does have friends but I think her close friend is just as quiet as her. I am considering pulling her out, as its affected her so badly.
@PiccalilliChilli be interesting to know if that girl stopped bullying you after you snapped.

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NakedNugget · 23/06/2021 14:38

@Sussexmum6 I would, she doesn't deserve to be treated like that and she sounds lovely. I don't think there's anything more important than her knowing you're there for her and have her back unconditionally.

My dd is always moaning about going to school but she's not being bullied. If she was I'd take her straight out without question.

Sussexmum6 · 23/06/2021 22:25

@NakedNugget thanks for your kind words, hopefully goes well tomorrow

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SE13Mummy · 24/06/2021 00:41

Sorry your DD is being targeted like this and I hope the meeting is helpful.

My youngest DC is in Y7 and a couple of months ago I found out they were the subject of a peer's 'hate campaign' for want of a better description. DC hadn't wanted to tell us about it but did once a friend's parent alerted me to it. DC is small for 12, wears glasses and twin block braces which hold both jaws in a fixed position so makes for a fairly classic target. It turns out the queen bee (QB) had taken against DC because they'd asked QB more than once to let DC get on with the work. DC is quite shy but can be quite direct about things and this seems to have triggered months of anti-DC behaviour including threatening to break bones, shoving, throwing things at them, making unkind comments in the Google Classroom chats, making accusations in the class whatsapp group and threatening anyone in the class who spoke to DC.

QB was given a two day exclusion for physically assaulting another student so DC was able to see that QB wasn't as invincible as she felt she was but also that classmates were possibly going along with QB because she was more scary than DC. My DC really wanted to deal with it and said she would talk to her form tutor with the one remaining friend but in the mean time agreed to practise a 'killing with kindness' approach. Nothing witty or clever, just unsettling QB by saying 'hi' or telling her the time if asked, as though QB was as ordinary as everyone else.

The evening before DC and friend spoke to their form tutor, I emailed her and the Head of Y7 with a very dispassionate account of what had been reported to me. I explained they'd be coming to talk to her and that I didn't want her to mention that I'd emailed. I also explained some of the strategies we'd talked about at home. I acknowledged that I may well not have the full story and that DC can be quite blunt. I requested:

  1. DC be moved as far away as possible from QB in the seating plan
  2. the school look into what was happening and apply the relevant parts of the anti-bullying policy
  3. the whole form receive some input on the mental health impact of passive bullying

The form tutor and head of Y7 were brilliant. They sprang into action, did a massive investigation and all the students on the receiving end felt heard. QB and her sidekick were interviewed last of all by which time, they were apparently extremely nervous. I'm not sure how the adults have achieved it but QB has turned over a new leaf and she and DC have, off their own backs, chatted about why there was ever an issue (QB didn't like that DC had dared to stand up to her and so this was a punishment).

My DC is so much happier but I'm almost more delighted for QB who already had a pattern of fixed term exclusions - something those teachers said clearly reached QB in a way exclusions hadn't.

I consider the school's response to have been spot on. It was swift, gave all parties the opportunity to feel heard and has put a stop to the ongoing, targeted unkindness. It has also been empowering for the whole form group who've seen that reporting ongoing unkindness isn't about getting someone else into trouble but about being kind towards the person on the receiving end as well as giving the perpetrator/s an opportunity to make different choices about their behaviour.

In your meeting, perhaps you could request that your DD have someone pastoral to check in with every day by email so any incidents aimed at her (including those she thinks may not have been deliberate/mean) can be investigated quickly but without her having to report in front of the perpetrators. The actual act of recording each incident, no matter how tiny, will also help her to process it instead of letting it take up her energy. Strategies such as letting her go into the classroom first and/or sitting on the back row may be useful to her too so she doesn't have to walk past the students who are being unkind and so she knows there's nothing going on behind her back. If you've told the form tutor who the boys are, maybe they could be moved to the very front of the class so there's less scope for undetected meanness in class at least. I would hope the boys would be given the opportunity to give their accounts (ideally in writing) of what's been going on and to be asked how they would respond if they were the adult in charge... and be told that any of them who continued to be actively and deliberately unkind to others would be candidates for being put into different form groups.

Provided the school is willing to be proactive and puts some proper effort and support into building your DD's coping strategies - whilst simultaneously challenging the unkind behaviour of the boys - I would look to keeping her at her current school where she has at least one definite friend. However, it would also be worth arranging a weekly review with the form tutor/pastoral person to keep on top of things. Perhaps you could ask if the school would support a managed move for her if the unkindness hasn't stopped within the next two weeks.

Sussexmum6 · 24/06/2021 23:18

@SE13Mummy Thank you for such a detailed post. So glad it's sorted for your daughter. The meeting today went okay, her form tutor was sympathetic but didn't really tell me much about how they will deal with, other than taking statements and that they take it very seriously.
I did email her some of the suggestions you put forward. However she's since rung me, saying the statements would mean it would be obvious my dd has said something (as we stressed anonymity) she said teachers would be informed and keep and eye out and agreed to change seating plans. My dd is petrified of students finding out she said anything, she was extremely distressed when she found out we had spoken to her teacher about it all. One thing the teacher did say was that if statements collaborated my daughter's account the culprit would be excluded for 3 days and if it happened again he would be permanently excluded. I've asked her to put everything in writing to me. However I can't convince my daughter to take a stand and make a statement.

I'm in two minds whether I should push dd to go down the statement route or not, I want to as we know on this occasion when it happened, and that there was at least one witness. And if she doesn't and it continues if I am honest I am not sure how much teachers can pick up given the size of classes. My daughter is adamant she wants to change schools.

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SE13Mummy · 25/06/2021 20:19

It's good to hear the form tutor was sympathetic. I'd be suggesting that she ask everyone involved to write statements because, "a couple of different people - not anyone in this class - have reported to me that some of the form are involved in regularly being unkind towards other Y7s. A couple of witnesses have said you were involved/saw what happened so I'm collecting statements. Please write down exactly what happened on X day in X lesson when X happened to DD. I'd like you to think really carefully about who said what, what each person did and who else was there at the time. If you know about other incidents when the same person was targeted or when the same students have targeted others, please write about those occasions too. If you've been wishing that you'd said/done something at the time, this is the moment to make up for that by providing me with a factual statement explaining what you saw/heard/did..."

Teachers do this sort of thing all the time; give the likely culprits no warning and pull them all out at once to give a written account. The form tutor can also ask subject teachers to keep an eye out for any unkindness so it's nipped in the bud. Changing schools without at least having your DD witness the school taking it seriously would be a shame but may also contribute to her feeling as though she's in the wrong and should be the one to change her behaviour.

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