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Corona Cohort Y12 into Y13, braving the storm of the third wave

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Monkey2001 · 20/06/2021 11:24

Supportive thread for parents of Y12 students going into Y13.

Previous thread - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/4240252-Thread-16-Corona-Cohort-Year-12-2021-Zooming-through-Summer-Term

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Fferny1 · 27/06/2021 10:12

Just a question which isn't very relevant to this thread. How did this current government and its hangers on all get into Oxford?
Because they don't appear to be mightily intellectual ( apart from Boris using big words!) Did coming from money and a
private school automatically help you obtain a place?

Monkey2001 · 27/06/2021 10:28

@Fiddlersgreen sorry to hear you are all isolating, but good that he is getting remote teaching, my DS was just told to revise for the 7 days of school he missed. I have lost track of how long eveyone isolates - is it 10 days from the positive test for you? Does his clock get reset after a positive test? Surely if you work for NHS they should pay you whilst isolating!

@20newnames when DS1 (20) had to isolate his friends felt very ill, one said she had never felt so ill in her life and all her family got it, so it does vary in severity.

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Fferny1 · 27/06/2021 10:44

Oh dear @Fiddlers I'm sorry your ds has had a positive test. I hope the rest of your household manage to avoid catching it.

I'm sorry others are having to isolate as well. I can't wait for the 16-18 year olds to be vaccinated. Some areas are already letting some 17 year old teens into the pop up clinics.

EversoDelighted · 27/06/2021 10:51

DS (17) is double jabbed due to existing conditions but DD is only 15 so can't be. We think about a quarter of her year plus similar from other years plus several staff members are SI at her school. They have said there will be remote learning on Teams from tomorrow but we'll have to wait and see what it consists of. Confusion on dates so far, symptoms and + LFT on Friday, DD last had contact on Weds, awaiting further info tomorrow I suppose.

crazycrofter · 27/06/2021 10:55

@Fferny1 sorry to hear about the positive test. Fingers crossed the PCR may still be negative - although all the cases of positive LFT/ negative PCR in my son's year (10) proved to be faked! Ds missed nearly 3 weeks of school because of them!

To be honest, I've driven the uni talk in our house too. Once we'd decided on Occupational Therapy (and dd had spoken to one to be sure) her list was narrowed down anyway. She really wants to go to an RG, or at least a uni that friends might be going to. I think she's decided on Southampton and doesn't really want to think about any others - which is obviously a risk as she might not get through the interview!

Zandathepanda · 27/06/2021 11:00

Fferny1 I went to a posh public school for sixth form late eighties. The teachers Oxbridge colleges were listed in our school diaries. The staff chose the Oxbridge pupil set right at the start and they had weekly lessons on how to get in. It was very much a prestigious group to get into. I overheard one of the teachers chatting to his professor friend on the phone about the group and which college for a particular student. It was all very tactical. Great fanfare for those who got in and utter devastation for the very few that didn’t. Pupils knew whose parents and siblings had gone to which colleges. On the odd parent event, parents would be wearing college colours and the school staff would wear their college gowns. It was a big network thing.

Contrast this with my DD’s state school. One of her teachers said she was exceptional and to consider Cambridge for her subject in Year 7 so she had it in the back of her mind. In Year 12 the school picked several out to have a talk and all parents could go to another talk to. But she didn’t like the course when she looked round. School didn’t push it. I doubt any parents round here tell each other which universities they went to.

There is a state school in a diverse area of London that is famous for pushing for Oxbridge and gets loads in.

So the reason they all got in was that was what was the goal from a v early age from family, school and themselves. I am not saying it’s good/bad it’s just how it worked.

estherfrewen · 27/06/2021 11:26

@Fferny1 - sorry to hear about positive test. Just had school notification for DS to isolate tomorrow and more information as to how long for tomorrow. Rates quite high hear at the moment

Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 11:32

There was something in the news a while back about Trinity College Cambridge letting in 22 boys from Westmister. For all they profess (boom boom!) to be trying to change things, I am not sure this is always true at college interview/admission stage : I can almost imagine the matey matey chats and handshakes at the start of the interviews!. There are longstanding links between Trinity and Westminster it seems. Not sure how many Trinity lets in every year, or how many students there are in year 13 at Westminster, but it's not a good look really. Until they get more state school educated interviewers, things won't change much, sadly.

Zandathepanda · 27/06/2021 13:30

I have to say, the ones that got in still got the grades (possibly not as high as you need now), despite the poor teaching at my public school, as the criteria for staff was that you gone to Oxbridge rather than could teach. I had some shockers for teachers - no one had learnt how to teach.
Obviously Oxbridge have recognised the problem but Dd2 was a bit putout to be told she was in an ‘outreach’ school. It’s definitely not economically or socially disadvantaged as a whole round here. The only way of getting a more diverse set of students with different ideas and values is if they apply though. I certainly wouldn’t put mine off if they wanted to apply, but my Dd2 prefers other places too. I think the structured supervisions etc sound like you get more contact time with individual academics and can have good intellectual discussions with them. Dd1 has lots of small seminar groups instead at Newcastle so she’s not got so much individual time other than going to see them off her own choice after lectures. They have always been accessible for a chat though.

Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 13:36

The kitty cat likes her virtual open days. Taking it all in!

Corona Cohort Y12 into Y13, braving the storm of the third wave
FingernailNibbler · 27/06/2021 14:31

@Piggywaspushed

There was something in the news a while back about Trinity College Cambridge letting in 22 boys from Westmister. For all they profess (boom boom!) to be trying to change things, I am not sure this is always true at college interview/admission stage : I can almost imagine the matey matey chats and handshakes at the start of the interviews!. There are longstanding links between Trinity and Westminster it seems. Not sure how many Trinity lets in every year, or how many students there are in year 13 at Westminster, but it's not a good look really. Until they get more state school educated interviewers, things won't change much, sadly.
But Westminster is also an academically selective school, so it makes sense that a high number of their students get into Oxbridge, right? It's not as if any kid can go there and get red carpeted into Oxbridge just because their parents pay up.
FingernailNibbler · 27/06/2021 14:33

Or is the issue that so many of them get into Trinity College Cambridge specifically? Trinity is known As academically competitive. Will there be a new divide between colleges at C and O, that some are more 'diverse' and others distinctly linked to public school A, B, C?

EversoDelighted · 27/06/2021 14:39

Many years ago I had a job working for a big corporate in N London. I went on an in-house training course for public speaking or similar, and one of the, other attendees had a work experience student with him. We all had to give a talk on a subject of our choice, more or less on the hoof. The facilitator asked the student, who must have been about 15 if he would like to speak. Most 15 years olds would have died on the spot, but this boy went to Harrow School. He stood up and gave a polished, interesting and self-deprecating speech about life at the school, when asked what happened if students weren't making the grades he commented that (with an eyeroll) their parents would just pay for a new science lab and it would all be sorted. He, no doubt, will have gone far, very likely via Oxbridge, he was charming and at ease throughout. It's by no means automatic, but very, very much easier for some than others.

Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 14:54

@FingernailNibbler

Or is the issue that so many of them get into Trinity College Cambridge specifically? Trinity is known As academically competitive. Will there be a new divide between colleges at C and O, that some are more 'diverse' and others distinctly linked to public school A, B, C?
I think it's more the issue of the direct entry and 'persuasion' to apply to Trinity. Apparently the head of Westminster is automatically on the Board at Trinity (or the other way round can't remember which!) and phone calls are often made from teachers at Westminster to the Trinity dons to speak on students' behalf. Even the Telegraph thought all of that was a bit off.
Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 14:56

I think there are about 200 first years at Trinity so that's about 10% from one school!

Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 15:38

Aaaargh! I spoke too soon a while back. Just had SI email for DS. He has dodged that bullet so many times.

Heifer · 27/06/2021 15:43

@EwwSprouts - thanks for the heads up re York Virtual day today.
Loved it, listened to talk on colleges, accommodation and Biology.
It's such a shame DD wasn't able to watch (not recorded). I want to go there myself!
I've made lot of notes to go through with DD but I know I will need to pick my moment and not bombard her on her return. I learnt a lot and even asked a couple of questions (typed) and got great responses to.

Fingers crossed DD gets her mock results soon, although she mentioned that the teachers will only be given scores out and not grades so not sure if it will mean anything to us or not.

Really sorry to hear about students having to SI so late in the term. I really hope we can get to end of year (9th July) without having to.

Heifer · 27/06/2021 15:45

@Piggywaspushed

Aaaargh! I spoke too soon a while back. Just had SI email for DS. He has dodged that bullet so many times.
oh no! so close yet so far... Hope he is ok. Have school asked him to take a test himself? that is what our school seems to be doing now rather than keeping them off for 10 days, if you can prove you're negative you can come back it seems. ( I think that is correct). Unless you've got symptons obviously.
Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 15:50

That's not correct! Naughty schools... they want them to PCR test, to catch the spread, I think but absolutely can't come back until isolation is up. One of the girls I teach tested positive after 8 days of SI...

blahblahblah321 · 27/06/2021 15:53

@Heifer , my youngest DS's secondary school are part of a scheme where if you are a contact you then still attend school, but LF test daily. Could that be the case at yours?

Heifer · 27/06/2021 16:02

@Piggywaspushed

That's not correct! Naughty schools... they want them to PCR test, to catch the spread, I think but absolutely can't come back until isolation is up. One of the girls I teach tested positive after 8 days of SI...
Whoops, it seems I read the letter incorrectly, you're right. 7 cases in Yr 10 and whole year group have been sent home to isolate. They need to take PCR tests but it doesn't say they can come back if negative - I jumped to the wrong conclusion tbh.

In fact the letter goes on to say how important it is for everyone to stil keep taking the twice weekly covid tests at home.

Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 16:13

It's all such a pain in the proverbial, isn't it?

NCTDN · 27/06/2021 16:15

Can I join you? I've been looking for a thread like this...

Piggywaspushed · 27/06/2021 16:21

Of course... welcome! I think we have met before on a few threads! Was it a liberal arts one?

EwwSprouts · 27/06/2021 16:29

Hello NCTDN!

@Heifer Glad it was useful, we rated it too. First one DS has done so I was being nosey alongside. Can't take the credit for finding out about it, think it maybe was Piggy who flagged it originally?

So sorry some are facing SI to the end of term, particularly if end up negative tests all the way through.