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Best Senior School within 1.5 hours of London - WinCol vs Eton vs Westminster vs Harrow vs Wellington vs SPS vs KCS

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Neoton · 05/05/2021 00:25

DS just received an offer from WinCol and he got in purely on merit from a state school with no connections. We are still waiting for the other schools we applied to to revert (Eton, Wellington) but I feel a debt of gratitude to mumsnet, as I spent long nights on hundreds of threads to get all the info together.

Our view of the top schools within 1.5 hours of London:

  • WinCol has very strong academics across the board, both in humanities and STEM. For us the thing that set it apart is that the interview is truly about potential: 90 mins covering practically all subject areas. The results speak for themselves: leavers are 32% Oxbridge, 15-20% LSE+US unis including Harvard, Stanford, MIT and Georgetown. 9% medics, several recent Nobel laureate alumni too. The reputation is that it is less sporty, but if you dig deeper, you will find it offers lots of sports, and has some of the best squads in squash, fencing, sailing and even martial arts. We loved the boarding arrangements (dorms of 6 in the first two years, then doubles in Y3 and singles in Y5) and that there is a special almost family-like connection between the boys. The boys we met were intelligent, polite and relaxed, with a good sense of humour. Housemasters are truly amazing, motivating and simply excellent role models. Girls in 6th form from 2024 onwards. Probably the best choice for an academically gifted boy.

  • Eton College is the most famous school in the league but not as academic as WinCol, 24% Oxbridge, 12% LSE+US unis, only 2% medics. Very strong in sports across the board, with some of the best facilities. The Achilles of Eton is its STEM offering (109th place nationwide) and single rooms for all years, which may or may not result in isolation for the less active, less connected. No shared study halls either. Boys are decidedly ‘colder’ than those at WinCol, the HMs we met were a bit in the extremes: either military like, or very soft. Boys only. Probably best for the academically able, sporty and robust boys, who can handle the single rooms, which limit the possibility of making friends to the sports fields, or the societies.

Wellington College, in our view this is probably the best managed school of the lot, but also the least academic somehow. Coed and offers nearly everything that the top schools do, without the baggage. Strong sports pedigree, some fancy ones too like equestrian and polo. If you dig deeper, however, you will find that WinCol actually dominates Wellington in most of the sports we were interested in (fencing, sailing, squash, martial arts) in spite of Welly having the most amazing coaches and facilities. Choice between IB and A-level. Excellent US uni admission results, including Princeton, Stanford and Yale. By far the most “fun” of all the schools, in my view. Shared dorms of 3-4 in Y1, singles in Y2-5. The Achilles of Wellington is in its academics: weaker in STEM, slightly lower A/A-levels and 11% Oxbridge rate, yet somehow they manage to churn out 5% medics and 12-28% LSE+US unis like the big boys. Very pragmatic: beautiful yet nonsense subjects like Latin are cut out, replaced by two compulsory modern languages. Winner of this year’s national debating contest. Less academic pressure than any other school on our list. An amazing school overall, but may be a bit too easy for teenagers to get distracted. Compared with WinCol, we felt that the kids seem to be a bit more wired and somehow trying too hard. Probably best for those who believe that teenage years must be enjoyed to their fullest, but don’t necessarily want to give up on their ambitions. A really cool, modern take on education.

  • Day schools: St Paul’s, Westminster and KCS are the only ones that approach WinCol in terms of academics, also well balanced between humanities and STEM. 31% / 31% / 25% Oxbridge, 22% /15% / 20% LSE+US unis, 5% / 4% / 8% medics for SPS, WM and KCS respectively. Add Merchant’s Taylor to the mix if you already know at the age of 10 that your DC will be aiming for medics (6% of leavers) or economics (LSE 7%). Location for day schools will anyways matter more than anything else in my view, apart from ethos and personal impressions. DS was very keen to board, so we didn't apply to any of them in the end.

  • Harrow School was quickly discounted in our books due to what we considered to be mediocre academics, a lack of contemporary alumni and a certain attitude which wasn’t for us.

Advice for parents looking at senior schools for the first time: there is not simple answer to the ‘best school’ and there are no shortcuts to doing your own research. A school which works for one child might not work for another.

For ref, in our case DS is a classic all-rounder, top of his class, loves all subjects but especially STEM, wants to be a doctor, grade 3 piano and guitar, very social, lots of energy, loves sports, competitive in tennis and judo, on the national hockey team. This list is thereby from his perspective, and might look completely different for others.

OP posts:
Neoton · 05/05/2021 18:19

He is 10 and on the junior team

OP posts:
TeddingtonTrashbag · 05/05/2021 18:45

Congratulations to your son on his offer. I hope you'll be cured of your obsession soon
‘Tis a mercy for the boy that he will be boarding GrinGrin
My sons attended one of the schools mentioned without connections yada yada nor countless hours—wasted— spent by a parent(guessing mother Grin) researching ... who’da thunk it?

Neoton · 05/05/2021 18:46

Hahah, very funny Smile

Next time before you post, I suggest you refer to the talk guidelines www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette

Didn't mean to confuse you, as you seem to have already solidified your opinions.

Hope some others found it useful.

Goodbye.

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theweebabydonkey · 05/05/2021 20:15

Golly. Reading this thread I feel like maybe I let my boy down sending him to the local school! Confused

delightfuldaisy19 · 05/05/2021 20:21

I'm still confused - national hockey teams don't start until the Under 16 age group.

There is no England/Scotland/Wales hockey team for 10 year olds.

ILoveMondayMornings · 05/05/2021 20:41

I ruled out Wincol and Eton. My Percival deserves way better.

IsThePopeCatholic · 05/05/2021 21:11

Whoever said Social class in England was dead? This thread is truly deplorable.

Onedayatatimetoo · 05/05/2021 21:13

OP, thanks for taking the time out to share your views via a detailed summary. I for one throughly appreciated reading and noting your findings. All the best to your son. He sounds like he will do really well!

Nowfeeltheneedtopost · 05/05/2021 21:24

No idea whether the OP is genuine but they are definitely lying about their 10 yr old being on the national hockey team since there is no such thing at that age. Unless there is now going to be a huge drip feed about OP's DS not being from England, Scotland, Wales?

The faux "oh but you must choose what's right for your DC" clashes somewhat with the title of "best senior school" so I can only conclude - whether genuine or otherwise - the OP is simply someone trying to justify the choices they have made.

MayIDestroyYou · 05/05/2021 21:37

@IsThePopeCatholic

Whoever said Social class in England was dead? This thread is truly deplorable.
No one with a brain would ever suggest that social class as a concept and a material fact is dead in England.

But if you think it's attendance at independent schools that determines it in the 21st century, think again. The children of the very rich will enjoy privilege and opportunity regardless of where they go to school.

Conversely, the sort of schools being discussed here are very keen to be seen to make what they provide available to people who are prepared to jump successfully through the hoops laid out. Either through clear pathways from state schools, and/or through bursaries of up to 100%. I completely acknowledge that one has to know about such opportunities in order to enter the competition for them - which is why it's important that people don't post 'information' that is either completely wrong or so misleading as to put off hesitant parents.

If you want to talk about unfairness - start with the appalling unfairness of million pound postcodes in the catchments for the best state schools ...

Sunglasses2 · 05/05/2021 22:10

Which state schools have only million pound houses in their catchments?

njshore · 05/05/2021 22:45

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESU_Schools_Mace
Doesn't mention Wellington School in any of the years' winners.

My son is an active debater at one of the schools mentioned by OP but he said Wellington is not a big contender by far in any of the regional and national debating competitions. They don't even make the top 20 teams. Usual suspects are Eton, Westminster, SPGS and Dulwich.

@Neoton sounds like another poster, @HockeyDad, whose son is going to or at WinCol and plays hockey, hoping to use is as an entree into US universities. Wonder if they are one and the same..Hmm

leftandaright · 05/05/2021 23:06

This seems all kinds of batsh1t crazy to me.
We looked around a couple of schools, spoke to existing parents and pupils and then went on our gut feel of what felt right.
At no point did we feel the desire to set up a 70+ column spreadsheet to further hone where our dc would be happy.

Bright children do well at most schools (state/private).

You really don’t need to choose a school with high Oxbridge percentages. Success in life is based on so much more than where you went to school or university.

Parents still have the biggest influence on how a child turns out.

And there is no such thing as a national hockey team for 10 year olds, even ones with grade 3 piano.

Neoton · 06/05/2021 17:35

Thank you very much, this is a bit too thick for my taste. I think I listened to enough insults for this year, so last post.

Agree gut feel is important, if you can visit all the schools. We only had options in 2019 for short open days, where we built our long list.

One can make informed, uninformed or poorly informed decisions. One can make decisions based on groupthink, gut feel, prejudices, impressions, facts and reason. We are also not immune to the first three, but at least we try to balance it out by facts, own opinion and critical thinking.

Groupthink is fine. One can also get away by ignoring facts. For a while. Then disaster. Just read a bit of history.

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Elij00 · 06/05/2021 18:50

@njshore

I was actually going to say that. The writing styles of both posters are eerily similar.

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