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Government has failed to evaluate potential harms to pupils

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1stMrsF · 29/04/2021 15:23

It's been reported in the Telegraph and Daily Mail that PHE "did not consider" the negative health impacts of requiring children to wear facemasks in the classroom.

Nick Gibb, Minister for School Standards questioned about this today commented that children 'didn't seem to mind' wearing masks, even though the Government's own survey found that 80% of children are struggling to communicate wearing a mask and more than 50% felt it was affecting their ability to learn.

The government cannot produce any evidence that the benefits of this policy outweigh the potential harms, as the scientific evaluation hasn't been done. Whilst it's possible (but not confirmed) that face coverings in schools will be removed in Step 3 of the government roadmap, this will be at the earliest from 17 May, still 3 weeks away. The government has not confirmed under what criteria this measure will be removed, so still has the ability to push out this date, nor has it ruled out any future reintroduction.

There is a growing body of evidence to suggest that wearing mask for prolonged periods can have a negative impact on physical and mental health, especially in children who are more susceptible to the effects.

This article collates information from 44 experimental studies and 65 publications on the side effects of face masks. A wide variety of statistically significant confirmed side effects and dangers are reported and the article notes “Children are particularly vulnerable and may be more likely to receive additional harm” and “repeated exposure over longer periods is relevant. Long-term disease-relevant consequences of masks are to be expected.”

This study published in Germany where data was collected from a total of 25,930 children wearing a face mask for an average of 270 mins a day found that 68% reported impairments including irritability (60%), headache (53%), difficulty concentrating (50%), less happiness (49%), reluctance to go to school (44%), malaise (42%), impaired learning (38%) and drowsiness or fatigue (37%)

The government guidance for schools impels them to 'ensure face coverings are used where recommended' but makes them responsible for carrying out a risk assessment and consequently a legal case is being brought against a UK school and is in court tomorrow. Most schools will be unaware of this terrible position the Department for Education has put them in.

If you share my concerns, please write to your MP asking them to call for facemasks in the classroom to be removed immediately (no school needs a one week notice for this) and permanently, as we cannot continue with any measure for children in the knowledge that safety has not been evaluated.

You can also write to your school, making them aware of this issue. I have no doubt this policy has been implemented in good faith by schools who have dutifully followed all government guidelines without intending to harm children, but it is nonetheless their responsibility to safeguard the children in their care.

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BungleandGeorge · 03/05/2021 10:31

I’m not sure why people want to argue about this but they’re now saying 70% of all people on gov website. Above 62% is a week ago and England only I think and some devolved nations have done more. There is loads of vaccine available, if people are concerned about getting covid then I’d expect they’d be willing to travel to get it. About 95% of over 50s have had it already but I doubt that would be the same when it gets to the 21-39 group but it will be offered to them very soon,

noblegiraffe · 03/05/2021 10:54

Well, I'm arguing because suggesting that it's ok to remove masks in classrooms on May 17th because by then over 30s may have had vaccine bookings opened to them is basically the same crap argument that was made for opening schools with no mitigation measures on 8th March (which thankfully didn't happen) because 'the vulnerable will have been vaccinated by then' - redefining vulnerable to exclude group 6 and ignoring the fact that a lot of older people would not have been 3 weeks post jab by then. It also redefines vaccinated to 'has had their first jab'.

The vaccine dates didn't line up with 8th March and they don't line up with 17th May and I'm pretty fed up of people trying to make out that they do. If you want to argue for masks to be gone on 17th May in classrooms then find an argument that doesn't make out that teachers will either be immune, really young, or 'vaccine refusers' by then.

ChloeDecker · 03/05/2021 11:00

Bungle I don’t understand why it is so difficult for you to acknowledge the fact that although over 40s since Friday can now book, that doesn’t mean that they have been vaccinated.

Like many, I am over 40 but was only able to get my first appointment from Thursday 6th May (no appointments before then on the site, not that I was picky) and therefore, currently unvaccinated, which is a fact.

It is also a fact that even by 17th May, just 11 days after my jab, I will not be as protected as you claim, yet.

I also have Psoriasis which is an auto-immune condition. Probably why, when I caught Covid last year through schools, it only affected me in the most awful burning rash over my face and body. None of the other well known symptoms promoted by the gov and NHS. My GP theorises that catching it again could make my body response worse/dangerous, as is often the case with immune systems and allergies, for example, but because, (I assume) PHE have not really acknowledged this symptom, Psoriasis was backtracked from being included in group 6 unless you are on steroids basically or put on any shielding list.

Currently, I have three classes/close contacts in different year groups who had to start self isolating due to 3 positive tests from PCRs plus about 6 or so other pupils self isolating as a family member has it. It’s not gone away and although it’s wonderful to hear the stats going down, that is not much comfort to the young people and staff having to self isolate again currently. As always, they are forgotten about in other people’s desire to return back to normality. I mean, it’s as if no one else wants to return to how it was before but life isn’t like that.

I am personally grateful to be allowed masks in classrooms at the moment (acknowledging parents can exempt their children if they so wish) as an unvaccinated teacher in classrooms since March. I am fully supportive of them being withdrawn, just not right now, this minute.

sherrystrull · 03/05/2021 11:05

70% of all people isn't representative of school staff and the families of the children in schools.

SoupDragon · 03/05/2021 12:17

they’re now saying 70% of all people on gov website.

And the 30% who haven't had it are mostly those in the younger age groups which probably have a lot of teachers in.

How difficult is this to understand??

tinytemper66 · 03/05/2021 12:24

@ChloeDecker

Bungle I don’t understand why it is so difficult for you to acknowledge the fact that although over 40s since Friday can now book, that doesn’t mean that they have been vaccinated.

Like many, I am over 40 but was only able to get my first appointment from Thursday 6th May (no appointments before then on the site, not that I was picky) and therefore, currently unvaccinated, which is a fact.

It is also a fact that even by 17th May, just 11 days after my jab, I will not be as protected as you claim, yet.

I also have Psoriasis which is an auto-immune condition. Probably why, when I caught Covid last year through schools, it only affected me in the most awful burning rash over my face and body. None of the other well known symptoms promoted by the gov and NHS. My GP theorises that catching it again could make my body response worse/dangerous, as is often the case with immune systems and allergies, for example, but because, (I assume) PHE have not really acknowledged this symptom, Psoriasis was backtracked from being included in group 6 unless you are on steroids basically or put on any shielding list.

Currently, I have three classes/close contacts in different year groups who had to start self isolating due to 3 positive tests from PCRs plus about 6 or so other pupils self isolating as a family member has it. It’s not gone away and although it’s wonderful to hear the stats going down, that is not much comfort to the young people and staff having to self isolate again currently. As always, they are forgotten about in other people’s desire to return back to normality. I mean, it’s as if no one else wants to return to how it was before but life isn’t like that.

I am personally grateful to be allowed masks in classrooms at the moment (acknowledging parents can exempt their children if they so wish) as an unvaccinated teacher in classrooms since March. I am fully supportive of them being withdrawn, just not right now, this minute.

We have a couple of cases in one year group and many self isolating because of it, so am also glad masks are worn in school.
Zandathepanda · 03/05/2021 13:49

This shows how it’s not just a case of getting the 1st jab and suddenly you are covid-invincible.
It does take several weeks and a week after the second jab is the optimal position to be in.

Government has failed to evaluate potential harms to pupils
Zandathepanda · 03/05/2021 13:50

...and no one is actually covid invincible just less likely to end up in hospital.

a8mint · 03/05/2021 17:35

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SoupDragon · 03/05/2021 17:40

Teachers are selfish bastards,not reporting it ,because it is is to their benefit, Sod the kids!

Whereas you are thinking "sod the teachers". Does that make you a "selfish bastard" to use your own words?

There really is no comparison between headache/nausea and Covid.

paralysedbyinertia · 03/05/2021 17:44

@a8mint

Mt DD is doing her GCSE assessment at the moment wearing masks.She is wearing a mask 9 hours a day from 8am to 5Pm.Everyday lots of kids are having headaches and feeling nauseous. Teachers are selfish bastards,not reporting it ,because it is is to their benefit, Sod the kids! If it were possible for my opinion of teachers to be lower than it already was this would do it!
Perhaps other environmental factors need to be considered to determine the cause of the headaches and nausea, @a8mint? That doesn't sound like a normal reaction to mask-wearing at all.

My dd is also doing GCSEs and wearing a mask all day (except when they go outside at lunchtimes). She said a few kids found it a bit of a faff at first, but now they're all used to them and nobody can see what the fuss is about.

noblegiraffe · 03/05/2021 17:45

Headaches and feeling nauseous are pretty common when in the middle of GCSEs, what makes you think it’s the masks?

That said, my DC says masks are fine, and I’ve not had reports of nausea or headaches from the ones I teach so nothing to report here.

paralysedbyinertia · 03/05/2021 17:47

@noblegiraffe

Headaches and feeling nauseous are pretty common when in the middle of GCSEs, what makes you think it’s the masks?

That said, my DC says masks are fine, and I’ve not had reports of nausea or headaches from the ones I teach so nothing to report here.

Ah, yes, probably a stress reaction. That makes sense. My dd is pretty chilled about the assessments, but some of her friends are under a huge amount of pressure.
ImpatientAnn · 03/05/2021 18:00

I’m a teacher. I wear my mask all day in lessons just like the kids do - no headaches, no nausea, no Covid. Smile

ImpatientAnn · 03/05/2021 18:03

Although don’t suppose you’ll care about my experience as you’ve such a low opinion of me...

SoupDragon · 03/05/2021 18:06

She is wearing a mask 9 hours a day from 8am to 5Pm

Why? Does she not go outside at lunch/break or to leave school?

ineedaholidaynow · 03/05/2021 23:26

I'm assuming students who have to wear masks from 8am to 5pm will include time on a school bus.

My DS gets the school bus at 7.30 and gets home at 5.45 so will be wearing a mask for a significant period of time between those hours apart from break and lunch

a8mint · 04/05/2021 12:04

It started when mask wearing started-weeks before assessments started. Teachers should be grateful to children wearing masks ti protect them

paralysedbyinertia · 04/05/2021 12:11

@a8mint

It started when mask wearing started-weeks before assessments started. Teachers should be grateful to children wearing masks ti protect them
Correlation does not equal causation. Headaches and nausea en masse are not a typical reaction to mask wearing. I suggest that you investigate other potential causes. Stress still seems like a likely possibility for Year 11 pupils.

Why on earth do you think teachers should be grateful for kids wearing masks in class? Masks do not only protect the teachers, but also students and their family members.

ImpatientAnn · 04/05/2021 12:49

I am grateful that students are wearing them.

And grateful that it is an expectation that we all wear them.

I hope they are equally grateful that I am also wearing one all the time too.

SoupDragon · 04/05/2021 12:55

Teachers should be grateful to children wearing masks ti protect them

Children and parents should be grateful too. That seems to be in very short supply though.

noblegiraffe · 04/05/2021 14:35

Kids aren’t wearing masks to protect teachers. Anyone who thinks that the government is making kids wear masks to protect teachers really hasn’t been paying attention.

RachelRaven · 04/05/2021 19:18

Please. Kids aren't even wearing masks.

Well, not properly.

SoupDragon · 04/05/2021 20:35

@RachelRaven

Please. Kids aren't even wearing masks.

Well, not properly.

Mine is.
Tangledtresses · 04/05/2021 20:39

My teens just do it because they know the risks and are nit a bunch of bloody snowflakes ❄️.... threads like this give me the absolute rage

Op do you even have a teenager?

They honestly don't give a crap and will quite happily wear a mask
It covers their spots too so win win 😅😂

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