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Can a teacher do this?

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PomBearWithoutHerOFRS · 16/03/2021 20:12

Two things - one is, can a teacher tell a class "" you know who to blame for not going outside today" for p.e after asking who doesn't have football boots. Not asking them why they didn't have them, and not following the school policy of lending boots to those without. School is in an area where a lot of pupils are fsm and can't afford boots, so they are supposed to be available to borrow.
Sa me teacher, different day refused to allow a pupil who was recently diagnosed with M S to sit out a fitness beep test and told him to "get a move on" when he slowed to a walk.
School were informed in January that pupil was very ill and hospitalised (this lead to diagnosis) and it was arranged that pupil would join in p.e as and when he could and be allowed to sit down/rest as necessary.
Every other member of staff has been fine and all other agreed measures adhered to. A proper care plan is being made this week following formal diagnosis.
Teacher in question, when told "I have a medical condition" replied " well I haven't seen a medical note" this was in front of the whole class.
Can I have your thoughts please? I have to speak to the person who does the medical register care plans tomorrow and don't know how (if?) irate I should be?

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User135792468 · 16/03/2021 20:30

Can a teacher do this? Yes. Should they be more compassionate? Of course. If the child has a medical condition, something should be on the system explaining this. The parent (in my opinion) should have emailed the specific teachers of physical subjects as an extra heads up to make sure they’re fully aware of the severity of the condition. When it comes to the football boots, we’re in Covid times, I very much doubt they’re lending anything. I’m guessing these stories were relayed to you by your irritated offspring and I would, therefore, take it with a pinch of salt. Teenagers can be a bit over the top and not great at relaying a story and sometimes can miss out the context or tone with which it was said. Definitely raise the issues with the person who does the medical register but going in irate will not help.

LolaSmiles · 16/03/2021 20:37

There's 2 issues.

The boots, it's more abrupt than I would be, but if students know they're meant to have boots then they should have boots. With covid I doubt schools are lending out equipment so it makes sense the lesson and to change. I would drop this one.

The medical condition was handled awfully in my opinion. I wouldn't be irate though. I would establish what was expected regarding PE, whether it was that the student needed a note, or whether it was specifically communicated to all staff, or whether there's a communication black spot (for example, many schools I've worked at the student has one teacher named for the lesson but in PE students are rotated round several activities so all the boys' PE staff will teach an activity even though only one of them is on each pupil's timetable).

On the 'in front of the whole class' side of things, I would leave that because it could be that a huge unprofessional incident occurred, but I'd probably suspect that this conversation happened in the changing areas or in one of the PE areas where there happened to be other students.

When you speak to school I would keep the focus on handling the medical condition and reasonable adjustments.

PomBearWithoutHerOFRS · 16/03/2021 21:10

Thanks. It's not possible to contact individual teachers, just a general email for the whole school, or phone the office who take messages. HoY have answering machines but you have to phone the office to be connected.
I expect it was a communication thing, - that's really the only acceptable explanation, but it was still badly handled. Surely if a child that has consistently been enthusiastic and done well at p.e for two years suddenly can't do it, there's obviously something up? I can appreciate that there must be kids who will try anything to get out of it (I was one!) But this teacher knows him and knows he loves p.e.
The boots thing, I distracted myself about the borrowing, it's more that teacher never asked why they didn't have them, when in this case it was because he can't take part in the lesson (it was rugby) - I got sidetrs side tracked, sorry! (horrendous drop feed there! )
I shall take a firm grip before speaking to the register person honest!

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LolaSmiles · 16/03/2021 21:35

I hear what you say OP. Unfortunately whilst I so get what you mean about a usually great student suddenly not having equipment, we can't run classrooms based on who is usually great. Believe me, it can be really frustrating at times and I've had to have talks with or sanction students who are usually brilliant, but there can't be one rule for the good kids and another set of expectations for others.
In this situation, assuming that there was poor communication in school and the teacher wasn't aware of your son's medical issues (and I won't condone the poor communication) then I wouldn't automatically think the teacher in the lesson is out of order. If they knew, then they are very much in the wrong though.

When you speak with the relevant person tomorrow about his medical plan, one thing that might be useful is to ask how his medical updates will be communicated to staff. From the other side of the desk so to speak, I would suggest that the better lines of communication to staff are either on any round robins that go out, or a dedicated home-school contact sends emails direct to relevant staff.

lanthanum · 16/03/2021 22:38

The school needs to sort out its communication; the PE teacher should have been made aware. I wonder whether something went on his record after the diagnosis, but the PE teacher wasn't made aware (or didn't read the message) that there was an important change since they downloaded the class list at the start of the year. Given lockdown, the message wasn't immediately relevant for PE, so it's easy to see how it could have got forgotten about by the time it was.

PresentingPercy · 16/03/2021 23:32

It’s a PE teacher. The teacher in the school most likely to want all DC to be sporty like them and not have much time for anyone else! That’s a bit tongue in cheek but they can be the sort of person that doesn’t recognise illness as an excuse! Can you not get 2nd hand boots? Work out a plan with the school regarding PE.

Redburnett · 16/03/2021 23:39

Ask DC's consultant for a letter stating that DC should be excused from PE because xxxxxxx (assuming consultant agrees). Then get a copy done and give to DC to produce whenever necessary. My DC had such a letter stuffed in his blazer pocket for years, and produced it when PE teacher needed convincing. Any teacher will be dealing with a large number of different students and some teachers do need reminding of individual needs.

PomBearWithoutHerOFRS · 17/03/2021 01:27

Thanks all.
I think I'm mostly ranting and desperately looking for something I CAN fix it that makes sense?
I can't fix his diagnosis, he's been so ill, then they said it was a one off thing, then we get a phone call from the hospital and Bam! MS
The suggestion of asking the official medical person at the school about how the information will be given to the relevant staff is a good one. I am making a list of things to cover in the call and will add that!
The hospital have a liaison for schools and LEAs too - we're waiting for our first (zoom) meeting with her soon. It's all been so fsst. He was fine at Christmas!

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