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NFER Scoes - how do these rate?

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assumpta · 04/10/2007 10:34

Hi ds has just go his nfer results. Maths 90 verbal reasoning 99 and non verbal 93. How do these rate? He has never seen any test papers until he sat down to these. He has extra maths at school as is not as quick as some of the others. Should I do test papers with him and let him give 11 plus a go or not. Please advise. Very restless night wondering about this. Thanks.

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NotAnOtter · 04/10/2007 10:35

is it out of 112 or 120

NotAnOtter · 04/10/2007 10:36

i should know

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assumpta · 04/10/2007 10:37

I have no idea. I am in Kent if that helps. How would I find out which it is?

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Piffle · 04/10/2007 10:39

I though it was 140?

claricebeansmum · 04/10/2007 10:40

Ask school -they should know

Piffle · 04/10/2007 10:40

125+ being the best achieveable...

found this if it iany help?

NotAnOtter · 04/10/2007 10:42

we dont get given the score so i have never known

Piffle · 04/10/2007 10:45

do you know what the pass rate is for the 11+

NotAnOtter · 04/10/2007 10:46

in our area it varies each year - i think it is top 26 of - in area-populous sample - if tht helps

NotAnOtter · 04/10/2007 10:47

sorry top 26 %

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assumpta · 04/10/2007 10:48

Gosh its a bit confusing isn't it?

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Piffle · 04/10/2007 10:49

here when ds1 did it the pass rate nfer calculated I think was 115
or 75% correct
It has since gone up slightly due to cope with the increase in numbers.

seeker · 04/10/2007 10:50

In our bit of Kent last year you needed to get 120 120 115 to pass, but you can't really tell how thw raw scores equate to the ones in the test, because they are adjusted for age and things. And also I think it's different in different areas.

What year is he in? Have you got a chance to talk to his teacher?

Piffle · 04/10/2007 10:50

I still do not relaly get them assumpta tis dead confusing...
I think your ds may be borderline how long have you got til the test?
Do you need to make school selections beforehand or can you wait?

What does your ds want to do? if he wants to try then maybe you let him?

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assumpta · 04/10/2007 10:50

So should I bother with coaching, or just leave it to the local comp which is good anyway. I just dont want to do him an injustice, if with a bit of help he could get in.

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NotAnOtter · 04/10/2007 10:51

i think the age ajustment is very minor - my son was august 20th and i was told it made 'a couple' of marks difference

good job as dd and ds2 are october

seeker · 04/10/2007 10:52

If your school is like the ones round here, they won't actually tell you if they thing your dc will pass. The question to ask is "If my dc doesn't pass will the school support an appeal?" If yes, then go ahead, if no, then think carefull about your options

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assumpta · 04/10/2007 10:53

Sorry, he is in year 6. Tests in January. Places have to be selected by mid oct. Have spoken to teachers, but they tend to favour comp anyway as it is church school to church school.

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Piffle · 04/10/2007 10:55

depends heavily on the child too
could he cope with not passing?
Where are his friends going?
My mother sent me to a top girls schol cos I could get in academically but I hated it and flunked... I really wanted to go the science based co ed college...

So time to have a good chat with your son and go from there

FWIW at ds1's grammar (he is yr9) there are some children who were heavily coached for the test (here they only do two NVR tests) and they are really really struggling now.

NotAnOtter · 04/10/2007 10:57

it is true that some children would probably be happier elsewhere
ours are very pushy and say things like 'we make no bones about wanting the best'
its hard if you dont keep up - but then it does provide a brilliant learning environment that stimulates a desire to learn imo

seeker · 04/10/2007 10:57

Ask the appeal question. You have to be quite determined to get any information out of primary schools about the 11&divid; IME. But also think about where the best place would be for him. If all his mates are going to the comp and if it's good, then IMHO he would really want to go the the grammar school for it to be worth the hassle - particularly if, as piffle says he's a bit borderline. My dd was borderline too, but she was desperate to go to a particular school and bust a gut to get there. I wouldn't have put her through the experience if she hadn't wanted to do it so much.

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assumpta · 04/10/2007 11:01

I hear what you are saying and of course it makes a lot of sense. I do think mixed may be better, but some of these children who do the 11+ really rub the others noses in it and that makes me really cross. This wouldn't make me put him under any stress, cause its just not worth it. But a part of me wants him to give it a go even though we probably would choose mixed in the end. Does that make sense? The other thing is that there is so much coaching just to get in around here. Its quite annoying that they get their children coached, 11+ed, and grammer, even though children who are quite capable to pass 11+ go on to this particular comp.

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happychildhood · 16/10/2007 10:37

Dear Assumpta

Try here

There is a dedicated section for every part of the country, including Kent. Also lots of advice re standardisation, scoring and trying to teach your child 11 plus subjects.

Good Luck!

ScaryScienceT · 17/10/2007 18:14

The 11+ pass marks depend on the school - I worked at a grammar school last year, and their pass mark was around 110 - probably as low as you get.

You can increase the scores a bit with practice, but 20+ points is a lot to make up.

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