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Scottish grades to be based only on the teacher assessments.

32 replies

HPFA · 11/08/2020 15:29

Just announced by Jon Swinney, SNP Education Minister.

This will be the effect on grades

twitter.com/spreadsheetian/status/1290573455759495169

Will hugely increase the pressure on the government on Thursday when A Level results announced.

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Witchend · 11/08/2020 15:39

How ridiculous.

How to devalue the qualification and make sure that teachers overestimate even more next time.

cyrilavery · 11/08/2020 15:40

I highly doubt the English govt will back down and change the grades

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 11/08/2020 17:09

Agreed Witchend.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 11/08/2020 17:11

So it's swung from one extreme to another now. How ridiculous. And potentially could advantage Scottish students over the rest of UK ones in getting their university places?

ny20005 · 11/08/2020 17:15

I don't get it. If they went with teachers grades, attainment would have increased by 20% ! What's the likelihood of that happening.

Our head admitted that teachers had the whole school passing every subject till she pointed out that's never happened before. She made them go back & realistically look at each child & be able to evidence & support each grade. Obviously not all schools did that.

Now they'll have kids doing highers next year that they may not be able for & attainment will plummet next year when kids get real results

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 17:17

I’m interested in seeing the last few years grades against this years Teacher assessment grades and see how they compare.

bravefox · 11/08/2020 17:18

So the strongest set of results ever just got... even better Hmm

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 17:18

I wonder how the gcse and a level results will pan out.

ny20005 · 11/08/2020 17:25

@SerenityNowwwww

Scottish grades to be based only on the teacher assessments.
JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 11/08/2020 17:28

A 20% increase in A-C is ridiculous even the 10% increase in the less deprived areas is ridiculous. If a school got a couple of percent increase on a normal year they'd be celebrating!

Ffsnosexallowed · 11/08/2020 17:32

I think once individual school results are published it will be clear where or if overestimates have been made. Personally I think they should have considered individual appeals, which would have had to have some evidence - but I guess the system couldn't have coped with level of appeals?

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 17:32

Oh, I see. Thanks for that.

So some schools took the chance and inflated the scores and it was bleeding obvious, so everyone was marked down and others suffered. Now it’s been put back to ‘you all get a gold star’, with the pupils in the most deprived areas getting a 20% uplift?

midgebabe · 11/08/2020 17:39

I wonder if this whole thing is actually highlighting some systematic disadvantages for pupils in deprived areas, because of the difference in "over marking" between areas. Is it highlighting a bigger problem?

Are pupils in deprived areas being taught by weaker teachers who just make too many mistakes?
Are pupils in deprived areas less likely to do well under exam pressure ?
Are they More likely to have disruptions in their revision time, so not all live up to expectation once they get to the exams ?

Is this an opportunity to find out what going wrong for disadvantaged children?

pippitysqueakity · 11/08/2020 18:06

Will the regrade downgrade any of the results?

TheDrsDocMartens · 11/08/2020 18:37

I think people will write off 2020 grades as the COVID year.
Don’t think it matters long term.

Ffsnosexallowed · 11/08/2020 19:34

They've said they won't downgrade any results

pippitysqueakity · 11/08/2020 20:32

Thanks for letting me know that!

distantvoiceunclear · 11/08/2020 23:25

Bloody stupid and irresponsible. They've basically just rewarded all the schools that unrealistically inflated grades and penalised those which tried to do the right thing and make realistic predictions. It's also going to lead to lots of parents whose children attend schools in the latter category now directing the ire at their kids' schools/teachers for not giving them higher predictions. DSis is a teacher who works at a (private) school which really tried hard to play by the rules and make realistic predictions, and she's dreading this happening in England, because she knows they'll get a massive backlash from parents if it does.

Ellmau · 11/08/2020 23:49

What a shambles.

rozzyraspberry · 12/08/2020 06:25

The issue is with the way they did it in the first place - evidence should have had to submitted for every estimated grade to ensure accurate awards were made in the first place.

There were so many kids incorrectly downgraded that the pass rate was going to go up once the appeals were worked through anyway. Although they might have been better able to sweep that under the carpet by the time they got through the process months down the line...

MumW · 12/08/2020 21:16

@TheDrsDocMartens
I think people will write off 2020 grades as the COVID year.
Don’t think it matters long term.
But it affects which University and/or course you are accepted onto which has the potential to be prospects/life altering.

Blackbear19 · 12/08/2020 21:22

[quote ny20005]@SerenityNowwwww [/quote]
That table is fascinating. The under 15s doing Highers do better than those between 15 and 18.

Is that because their are very few under 15s do Highers?

MumW · 12/08/2020 22:29

That table is fascinating. The under 15s doing Highers do better than those between 15 and 18.

Is that because their are very few under 15s do Highers?
I imagine under 15s are only entered if they are likely to do well.

SerenityNowwwww · 12/08/2020 22:55

I did my first lot at 15 then stayed in for a year to do some further ones because I had an unconditional offer but they wouldn’t take me until the following year (that was a skooshy 6th year).

TheDrsDocMartens · 13/08/2020 01:28

[quote MumW]@TheDrsDocMartens
I think people will write off 2020 grades as the COVID year.
Don’t think it matters long term.
But it affects which University and/or course you are accepted onto which has the potential to be prospects/life altering.[/quote]
That’s why I’m happy for them to just go with the Teacher assessments.