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Private schools back in september come what may

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mrscampbellblackagain · 17/06/2020 11:24

according to this article

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crazycrofter · 17/06/2020 13:47

Just heard that a local large prep school is opening to all years (nursery to year 6 ) next week.

They have extensive grounds and buildings, so no issues with social distancing.

noxestdormienda · 17/06/2020 15:56

It's a hard one for the government to position. If they give schools total flexibility over their opening arrangements, but still have quite limiting social distancing restrictions in place, then they will be criticised for unfairness, because a lot of private schools will be better able to take back more children full time (because of more space, more resources and smaller class sizes). But if they impose strict rules on school arrangements in the interests of fairness (eg all schools can only have 25% of children in at once), then they will be criticised for unnecessarily denying some children an education and also for crippling the private school business sector. It's not an easy one to spin.

WombatChocolate · 17/06/2020 16:34

On 15 June, a slight amendment was made to gov advice to secondaries. It said they could bring back children from other years for a meeting before the end of term. This was as long as they didn't breach safety and no.s allowed in school.

Some independents are VERY keen to do everything they can to impress parents. Given lots break up in 2 weeks anyway, some will be working on getting those other year groups in, probably not for normal lessons, but maybe something pastoral and just so they feel they've been in and seen people and the barrier of not having been in school for months is broken a little bit.

Interesting about whether independnets are gaining or losing support at the moment. Clearly lots of people will struggle to pay fees or won't consider it in the next couple of years if job markets are uncertain. The smaller ones and those reliant on boarding and international students are very vulnerable. However, with the bad press a lot of state schools are getting which emphaisises the difference between private and date provision at the moment, the difference and value is perhaps being emphasised and the bigger schools might weather the storm better as a result. Already threads have run with people considering a move to private just to get the better remote provision.

Singingrain1223 · 17/06/2020 17:03

I work within the private day education sector and the phones are ringing all the time from prospective parents fed up with the state sector and wanting to move to their dc to private as soon as possible. If the parents are in a secure job market such as medicine it's an easier decision to make.

mrscampbellblackagain · 17/06/2020 17:23

Interesting. Anecdotally I have heard that no new starters for our school in September have pulled out. 12 weeks ago I would have thought that would be the case but as some have said, some state school provision has been poor. Also if private is back in September and state not . . .

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UmbrellaHat · 17/06/2020 17:37

September is a long way off and and I am convinced that schools will return as normal. Pubs etc opening in a couple of weeks, new treatment unveiled yesterday, vaccine ready to roll, ditto foolproof antibody test -by September there will be so many bases covered that only the holdouts still determined to hide under a rock forever will be resisting. There may be a few teachers who decide not to return /they can resign but will not be enough to cause disruption. If you look on the Staffroom threads people we saying that teaching jobs are scare and they can't get an interview-so hardly appears to be a shortage.

Pipandmum · 17/06/2020 18:06

Our school is following the guidelines. The head sent an email out saying on june 1 saying the guidelines said if the schools have the capacity and are able to do the recommended adjustments then other years can go back. The change is that the government is not insisting they go back. As junior school kids in each year tend to all take the same classes it is easier to transition from online learning back to live in school. Our school has the space and therefore is welcoming other year groups starting from next week.
The senior school has Y10 and 12s in so those children can have a day a week in school. As many children take different subjects it is harder to schedule and accommodate all the kids, but they are hoping to get all senior years back at least part time, while still maintaining online learning for those at home.
I dont know of it is a legal requirement for private schools, but our school has definitely taken its lead from the government. I imagine that social distancing will be reduced in order for other schools to get kids back in September.

mrscampbellblackagain · 17/06/2020 18:21

We just had an email from our prep head - all year groups back next week but in very small groups and not fulltime for the years that aren't back all ready full time.

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mrscampbellblackagain · 17/06/2020 18:25

Are any of your schools letting you use the sports facilities at all? We have been able to use astros and tennis courts for quite a while and it has been great. Good PR exercise for the school too.

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CraftyGin · 17/06/2020 18:29

Independent schools have to provide as near a 100% provision as possible, otherwise parents will be asking for fees back. This would lead to school closures.

The big obstacle to a large number of students in school at any one time comes down to insurance, and in turn, this depends on government policy.

JMG1234 · 17/06/2020 19:14

All years have been invited back at our prep school from Monday. My Y8 will be in every other day until term ends in a fortnight.

I think a number of the other prep schools are taking a similar approach in our area. Some have all year groups in every day.

Dahlietta · 19/06/2020 10:32

I suspect that the government will go with a similar cop out in secondary as to the one they made in primary i.e. you don't have to get more year groups back, but you can have as many back as you can accommodate. Our prep school accordingly has all year groups back from Monday. I gather there was some pressure from parents to do so - it wasn't the original plan. If secondary schools get the same guidance, I think independent schools will do everything they can to get everyone back in full time. I can't see the 2m rule lasting til September anyway.

Mintjulia · 19/06/2020 14:45

The local school has two tiny boarding houses that are open. They have international students who could not return home, and also pupils whose parents are MOD posted, so they have become households in their own right.

newdadd · 20/06/2020 08:59

I work at a majority boarding school, and I think the plan is to bring the day pupils in as boarders to create a kind of bubble during term time. The school also plans to hire our own testing team, testing pupils and staff numerous times at least in the first few weeks. No chapel/assemblies/contact sports. Will be interesting to see how it all works out

MarchingFrogs · 20/06/2020 10:42

Well, according to the latest news, there is now the intention for all schools to go back fully in September.

Re the indie intending to set up its own Track and Trace system, I am intrigued as to exactly this would work? People are antagonistic enough to the idea of being contacted and told to go lock themselves away for a fortnight by a random stranger working under the auspices of the NHS (not to mention that scammers have already muscled in, demanding £500 'for a test kit to be sent' www.rochford.gov.uk/node/12135/

  • scroll down to Scams) . How is the school going to obtain and use the contact details of 'contacts' legitimately?
chocolatesaltyballs22 · 20/06/2020 10:50

@newdadd are you saying that all kids will have to board at your school? Presumably at the parents expense?

Am just interested as my daughter is at a private boarding school as a day pupil. She's back one day a week (year 12). The boarding houses are currently closed.

newdadd · 20/06/2020 11:04

I think thats the plan re: boarding. I have no idea about who pays, a decision to be taken way above my pay grade!

GrishainDisguise · 20/06/2020 19:14

Our private school so far suggested blended onsite and home learning from September. However I think the parents might not support it.
With only a few year-groups returning this week the social distancing required so much manpower, that home learning suffered. Half the teachers could not do their live classes, because they had to help out with Y10 or whichever year.
I am not sure what the solution is, this is just our experience.

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