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Grey Coat Hospital - waiting lists

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davisson · 04/03/2020 10:42

Anyone ever had any success on getting into Greycoats via the waiting list - CofE place - and if so what was your position on the waiting list to start with. Just when we get the letter from them, want to prepare myself and not have any false hope (which of course I can't help but have at the moment)

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MumsRule20 · 19/05/2021 15:47

@ChildOfFriday re: your message above - this is all dependent on what schools one puts before, as unlikely anyone would put Greycoat as sixth unless they knew that there was absolutely no way schools listed 1-5 would turn them down?!

BTW My earlier post which you previously commented on was specifically referring to the choice of St Marylebone and Grey Coat and wanting to know which they had at first rounds (not at a later stage/waitlist)!

ChildOfFriday · 19/05/2021 16:14

[quote MumsRule20]@ChildOfFriday re: your message above - this is all dependent on what schools one puts before, as unlikely anyone would put Greycoat as sixth unless they knew that there was absolutely no way schools listed 1-5 would turn them down?!

BTW My earlier post which you previously commented on was specifically referring to the choice of St Marylebone and Grey Coat and wanting to know which they had at first rounds (not at a later stage/waitlist)![/quote]
Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. If Grey Coat was someone's genuine sixth preference (unlikely as I understand it's a popular school, but hypothetically) then that is the position they should put it in on the form. Of course, if a school they listed higher is able to offer them a place, then this is the one they will be offered, but if not, then they wouldn't be at any disadvantage to getting Grey Coat for putting it lower down on the preference list.

ChildOfFriday · 19/05/2021 16:21

@MumsRule20 I'm not sure if something is wrong on the app as I can't see my earlier reply to you so I'm not sure what I said, but what you have said about needing to put a school first is most definitely wrong I'm afraid. As I have said, you are at no advantage for putting a school first, and you do not need to decide between schools. There is no 'gamble' involved- list the schools in your genuine order of preference. Any of the admissions experts on here will back me up on this. Schools absolutely cannot give priority to someone who listed them first, and the equal preference system has been law in England for many years now.

ChildOfFriday · 19/05/2021 16:22

I am also referring to first rounds, not later stages/waitlist. At no stage at all can any school give priority for putting them first. Trust me- I have a bit of an obsession with school admissions (strange I know) and this is definitely correct for state schools in England!

ChildOfFriday · 19/05/2021 16:44

How state school admissions work (for Grey Coat, St Marylebone and all other state schools in England):
Schools have a list of admissions criteria which they must stick to rigidly, which may include children in local authority care, siblings, distance, selection exams, faith, etc.

Parents list the schools in their genuine order of preference, but it is always a good idea to list at least one school somewhere on your form that you have a very good chance of getting into, usually your nearest non-selective school, even if you're not too keen on it (as it is better to have a school you don't like nearby than one you don't like that you need to travel to).
Through this, you have put in an application for every school on your list, whether it is first, sixth, or anywhere in between. At this point, the position does not matter at all.
The school or the LEA list all applicants for a school in order of how well they meet the admissions criteria, with no reference at all to what preference they are. If (hypothetically) a school's criteria was distance only, and you live nearer than me but have put the school sixth and I have put it first, you would be on the list ahead of me, as preferences are not taken into account at all as long as the school has been listed somewhere.

At this point, for each school a line is drawn on the list at the number of the PAN (published admission number) and everyone ahead of this line can be offered a place.
The LEA then looks at the schools that can offer everyone a place. Some children may appear above the cut-off line on more than one school's list, so it is only at this point that the preference order comes into account. Everyone can only have one offer, so you will be offered a place at the school you listed highest (so if the schools you listed third and sixth can offer you a place, you will be offered the third choice and crossed off the list of the sixth choice).
Due to some children being in multiple lists and only being able to be offered the school they listed highest, they can be crossed off the list of any schools they could be offered but are a lower preference than the school they have been offered. They are therefore crossed off these lists and everyone else moves up a place.
Eventually, this process is complete and everyone has been offered a place at one school- their highest preference for which they could be offered a place.

What definitely does not happen (though is a common misconception, and the way it worked many years ago) is for a school to receive a list of everyone who listed it first and offer places to these children before moving on to look at those who listed it second, etc.

I may have over simplified the process somewhat, and I'm sure the admission experts can correct me if so, but hopefully this gives you the gist.

Apologies for the essay and the multiple posts in a row!

MumsRule20 · 19/05/2021 16:45

@ChildOfFriday I think you misunderstand what I tried to get across? I am speaking from my own personal understanding and experience of having applied to both these schools and spoken to the council admissions team prior.

My point is to simply say that it is extremely unlikely whilst both these two schools are so oversubscribed, it is unlikely they will get the school place at the FIRST Round when admissions are declared, IF one has listed it as 6th choice or possibly (2nd down). They may well get the place later down the line. Both these schools are so very likely to have already filled their places for those who met their criteria and stated it as first choice. If they didn't meet the admissions criteria but had it at first then they would likely get a waitlist place. I am confused by your response to @tiggermummy70 hence why I posted today.

It really is as Westminster admissions say: “If your child was not offered their first preference school, they will be retained on the waiting list for any schools listed higher than the one they were offered.” this reiterates that what I am trying to say - that they will go onto the waitlist i.e. no guarantee and a wait (so in my view not advisable if one of these schools are your first preference). Always list in order of your true preference and 100% the case for such a school if you meet their admissions criteria.

ChildOfFriday · 19/05/2021 16:48

We may be talking at cross purposes @MumsRule20. If you are saying that if Grey Coat is your genuine first preference, then you should put it first and not lower down because of the non-existent 'gamble' of putting a popular school first, then I completely agree with you. All I am trying to say is that the common misconception that 'schools don't look at people who put them second/fill up with people who put them first', is completely wrong and not how the system works.

ChildOfFriday · 19/05/2021 16:49

Someone who listed Grey Coat second is just as likely to get in at the first round as someone who listed it first, if their first preference school wasn't able to offer them a place,

MumsRule20 · 19/05/2021 17:11

@ChildOfFriday yes above clarifies and in line with what I was trying to say! It seems we were originally talking at cross purposes and tricky when convos inbetween.

@dinosaurinmybelly Good to hear there is waitlist movement for those still hoping / higher up on the list. The family you mentioned must have been very keen and also happy to forfeit a term’s fee on their Indie place ;)

ChildOfFriday · 19/05/2021 17:22

Fab Smile Apologies if I haven't explained things very well.

Sama86 · 28/10/2021 01:10

@al1979 I know this thread is a year old, but could I ask when did you know that your DD was on the language place waiting list? Is that end of October or in March?
Thanks

GotHandsFull · 29/10/2021 19:38

Hi @Sama86
Also keen to resurrect this thread as my daughter has applied for a Sept 2022 Place.

We have just received the results of the language test by post. Ours says she was not one of the top 15 but based on previous years would have a reasonable chance of getting one of the 15 places.

Soo… am taking this to mean she is effectively waitlisted but where on the list and how long it is there is no info about. And it sounds like that info won’t be received until March.

Does anybody have any idea of how many are waitlisted in this way and therefore how likely a ‘reasonable chance’ actually is?

Sama86 · 29/10/2021 23:05

Hi @GotHandsFull did you receive an email from the school?

GotHandsFull · 30/10/2021 05:39

Hey no email. Just a letter, which sounds in keeping with what some of the posters earlier in the thread say in comms.

aimo102 · 11/09/2024 15:19

Hi @tiggermummy70 hope you are well. We live quite far outside the catchment area for Grey Coats, so my daughter will apply for a language place. I wonder if you could give us any understanding of the format the exam took (was there a listening/ sound component, a phonics component, or a translation component from a made up language to English?) Any hints or tips you can provide would really help her anxiety as she is uncertain what to expect for the exam. Thank you!

annekeegan · 01/04/2025 11:17

I had started my own thread but also thought I'd revive this one in case anyone here knows more about the Grey Coat wait list! We are late teens in Other Churches, Band 2 ...

Stokeyfolks · 01/04/2025 15:16

Hi - we were in the same church band as you a few years ago, in position 11 on 1st March which moved up to 2 on 31st March - we were offered a place about a week after that, so there is a fair chance I’d say - good luck!

Stokeyfolks · 01/04/2025 18:29

We were / are 4.7 miles away from GCH if that helps.. I remember how stressful all this was but we ended up with offers from GCH (originally 11 on wait list) and St Marylebone (originally 19 on the wait list) and went for StM in the end.. there is a lot of movement on the lists so hang in there :)

annekeegan · 01/04/2025 19:15

Stokeyfolks · 01/04/2025 18:29

We were / are 4.7 miles away from GCH if that helps.. I remember how stressful all this was but we ended up with offers from GCH (originally 11 on wait list) and St Marylebone (originally 19 on the wait list) and went for StM in the end.. there is a lot of movement on the lists so hang in there :)

Thank you so much @Stokeyfolks ! We are only slightly further away so that definitely gives me hope. Out of curiosity, why did your DD prefer St.M? Also on the wait list there!

Nkmama15 · 29/09/2025 18:59

Hello, is it an automatic sibling policy or are there still hoops to jump through?

HeraOliver267 · 01/10/2025 15:54

Nkmama15 · 29/09/2025 18:59

Hello, is it an automatic sibling policy or are there still hoops to jump through?

Doesn't seem to be, this is the admissions policy:
https://www.gch.org.uk/ckfinder/userfiles/files/admissions/Admissions%20Policy%202025.pdf

https://www.gch.org.uk/ckfinder/userfiles/files/admissions/Admissions%20Policy%202025.pdf

Nkmama15 · 01/10/2025 17:23

Yes that’s how I reviewed it …. That it’s not set you get in with a sibling ….

Nkmama15 · 25/11/2025 19:28

annekeegan · 01/04/2025 11:17

I had started my own thread but also thought I'd revive this one in case anyone here knows more about the Grey Coat wait list! We are late teens in Other Churches, Band 2 ...

Hello, which other church rank were you? Did you get a place in the end?

annekeegan · 26/11/2025 17:26

Nkmama15 · 25/11/2025 19:28

Hello, which other church rank were you? Did you get a place in the end?

Late teens, didn't get a place!

Nkmama15 · 26/11/2025 18:27

annekeegan · 26/11/2025 17:26

Late teens, didn't get a place!

Thanks! I meant the ranking for other church places - did they tell you want category you were in based on attendance/ and then the banding ?

I'm just trying to establish the variables! Seems so many hoops…

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