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Functional skills rather than GCSE, limiting options?

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azinfor · 29/01/2020 14:47

My DD had mocks in early January, and got her results back yesterday. She has done well in English, History and the more "wordy" subjects, but has failed science and maths. She just scraped a 3 in her trilogy science and also got a high 2 in maths. Her science teachers have stated in her notes that she got close to full marks on the wordy 6 marker questions in the sciene papers, but she seemed to have no idea what to do when it comes to the maths aspect. They are also saying her maths isn't satisfactory for GCSE level and she is having a meeting with her maths teacher and a few other students on Monday where they will apparently create a timetable for booster sessions etc. DD is very upset, she is a clever girl. She got an 8 in her English, she does very well in art, she loves history etc, but she just cannot get her head around maths. I was the same but managed to scrape a pass in my O-Levels (by a couple of marks!) through pure forcing myself. Her friends have tried to help her and I've also tried to go through some past papers with her but she becomes very distressed. She can't seem to access any of the questions beyond the 4th page, and anything she does learn she forgets. She is usually a confident girl but maths makes her doubt herself and it's very sad to see.

She has told me that the teachers have said they may be offering students who failed the mock the chance to do Functional Skills maths instead. DD is keen to do this as she has looked at the past papers online and she feels it is suited to her as the questions are focused on real life application rather than stuff like trig and simultaneous equations. However, I've been looking at it and apparently it doesn't hold the same weight as a maths GCSE. I looked at a few unis near us and a couple further afield and a lot of them said they do not consider funtional skills a valid qualification. Even the local college insist they want GCSE English and Maths passes for their Level 3 Btecs. I'm worried also that Functional Skills rather than GCSE would raise an eyebrow on job applications.

Obviously I'm not a teacher so I don't really know which is why I'm asking here. Could FS limit options? If I'm wrong about all this then I'd be happy for her to do it, but I can't help but think she'd be better knuckling down to pass the GCSE. Worst case scenario she fails and we reconsider our options.

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LIZS · 29/01/2020 15:28

What level FS? Level 2 is equivalent to a gcse pass but many sixth forms ask for 5 in gcse maths which this would not meet. Could she resit alongside a l3 btec if needs be. How many gcses is she taking?

noblegiraffe · 29/01/2020 16:19

Regardless of whether she passes functional maths, if she doesn’t have at least a 4 in GCSE maths she will be required by the government (it’s not up to individual colleges) to work towards resitting GCSE on whatever college course/apprenticeship she ends up doing.

Also, her school would be mad not to enter her for GCSE even if she only gets a 2/3 as it counts double for Progress 8 and functional skills doesn’t count at all.

dietcokeandwine · 29/01/2020 16:53

Can you get her a maths tutor op? I have a friend whose DC are bright and capable but have really, really struggled with maths and having a tutor (who was v experienced in helping children who find maths so hard) made all the difference. Not just to their grades but to their confidence. It seems to me that that might be a better option, if it is a possibility for you.

DinkyDaisy · 29/01/2020 18:58

I feel massively for your ds.
I am in my 50s. I got As in both English Olevels and pretty much as low as you could go at CSE maths. No support at all and it haunted me throughout life. I took functional skills level 2 at 50- my first maths pass.
Are you sure a level 2 functional skills rules her out of the subjects she wants to do? I so wish there had been that option when I was 15.
Has she been assessed for maths processing issues? I wish I had have been.

DinkyDaisy · 29/01/2020 18:58

Sorry dd

ittakes2 · 29/01/2020 22:22

I think you should consider having her working memory assessed. The maths and working memory part of the brain sit in the same place (so the specialist told me). If this is low, which I suspect it is - maybe your daughter would be eligible for extra time on her maths GCSE papers.
Both myself and my daughter have the same - great achievements in essay based subjects such as English and History but our maths is a bit mah. I had my daughter assessed and the working memory and maths part of her brain scores were less than half the ability of her English. She passed her grammar school exam and scored 120 in her maths SAT test so we were not expecting there to be such a difference. Her 11 plus tutor said she is bright but just learns maths in a different way to how the rest of the class learns maths - so I also recommend a tutor for your daughter.

Namenic · 30/01/2020 07:46

Do get a tutor and keep doing practice. Make sure she has solid arithmetic (eg multiplying/dividing fractions, decimals).

Maybe start workbooks on a level that is easy for her and build up slowly, doing like 20-30mins per day? Khan academy, google and YouTube have videos for concepts that may be hard to understand.

Comefromaway · 30/01/2020 09:19

Has she ever been assessed for dyscalcula?

I can see that Functional Skills is good for some students but I would echo Noble's excellent advice. (Incidentally my ds got Grade 2's in his science mocks. He's the opposite by the way. Answers all the maths type questions then totally ignores the wordier explain why questions.

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