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Latymer Upper

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Spring2020 · 29/01/2020 11:02

Hi, Dd is in year 5 and we would like to apply for a scholarship at Latymer Upper next year. We have heard (rumour) that the school can award top performers at 11+ a scholarship (not bursary) up to 100% fee reduction. I am grateful if someone could shed a light or share your experience here please? And if it is the case will it cover 7 years or just for the first year - year 7?
Thanks in millions.

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loonatnoon · 30/01/2020 14:20

OP, do also bear in mind that 11 plus boys places at LU are probably more competitive than girls places because most girls applying to LU will also be applying for G&L and SPGS as well which are just down the road. For boys, there’s only Hampton which is miles away and the whole coach thing doesn’t appeal to everyone. Or KCS which also seems quite far out to more central London families. SPS still has very limited places at 11 plus.

Either you meet the bursary criteria or you don’t. If you do, apply.

There is no stigma at all to being on a bursary place. In my DS’ friendship group, there are ones who live in Mayfair and others who live In towerblocks adjacent to Grenfell It’s extremely diverse, but it’s an urban school which reflects London because this is London. The school won a Times award for enabling social mobility, alongside the NHS and the Home Office. I have also had / have children at G&L and SPGS and these schools are less socially diverse, tbh, but trying to make steps in the direction of LU to be more accessible - eg. G&L are now running Saturday classes for local primary school children. This is something LU have been going for some time. At G&L, 10% of children receive bursaries and they are looking to increase this to 25% which is where LU are at. G&L don’t offer academic scholarships at all; there’s only one music scholarship at 11 plus. Following the Grenfell fire, LU accommodated the sixth formers and teaching staff from a college damaged by the fire, so they could finish their A-levels. DS has friends who have lived through war zones in Iraq who researched and wrote their own applications for themselves and brought their younger brothers / sisters to the exams to give them a shot. He has friends who do the entire family weekly food shop on their way home and have to take on far more responsibility than the average 16 year old, yet when they tell you they want to be a brain surgeon, you don’t doubt it. They all learn a lot from each other, they really do and it helps them to appreciate the opportunities they have, whether their parents are paying or not. The best thing about the school is it’s diversity and I think you have to embrace that and be honest about your own situation when you apply. If you won’t consider school fees, then either apply for a bursary or don’t apply, but don’t put him up against thousands of others on the off chance he gets this headteachers award (whatever that is) topped up with a music scholarship. Lots of children apply for music scholarships, but get told not to bother nearer to the auditions, even though their DC might be grade 6/7 on a few instruments which is very good by any standards at 11.

anewdecade · 30/01/2020 14:35

Slightly off topic as we're not going for a bursary and I can't imagine DS getting a scholarship (!) but does anyone know if LU interviews more girls than boys as they know the acceptance rate is likely to be lower?
DS has an interview and I know it's trickier for boys to get in in general but wondered if once you've got through to interview stage the odds of a place are roughly the same...clutching at straws!

loonatnoon · 30/01/2020 14:46

I would guess they probably interview the same numbers of girls and boys anew. Don’t they interview something like 450 Out of 1,400 for the 130 places (that was the case some years ago at least)? Then they have another 45 ish coming up from the prep.

Anyway, your DS has done brilliantly to get to this round. God knows what algorithm they use for offers v projected acceptance rates? There will be a editing list too , of course. If there is one tip I could maybe give you though (for what it’s worth from a random on here Grin), is to remind your son to tell them that if he is offered a place, he will definitely take it as first choice, etc etc. I think part of the interview might be trying to establish who is likely to snap up the places if offered. None of these schools like to think they play second fiddle to others!

loonatnoon · 30/01/2020 14:47

waiting list, not editing!

7salmonswimming · 30/01/2020 15:04

DS has friends who have lived through war zones in Iraq who researched and wrote their own applications for themselves and brought their younger brothers / sisters to the exams to give them a shot. He has friends who do the entire family weekly food shop on their way home and have to take on far more responsibility than the average 16 year old, yet when they tell you they want to be a brain surgeon, you don’t doubt it. They all learn a lot from each other, they really do and it helps them to appreciate the opportunities they have, whether their parents are paying or not. The best thing about the school is it’s diversity and I think you have to embrace that and be honest about your own situation when you apply.

This has long been the ethos of LU. Pay heed to this, OP. Academics are a given at schools like LU, it's the extras that set them apart and these days "extras" means turning out teenagers/young adults with a social conscience and social responsibility (not whatever extra-curricular achievements parents think will garner an Oxbridge acceptance). Bursaries are there to give opportunities to deserving children, and there is never enough money to go round. As such, the school will award them to children who will make the most of them, without detracting from - and ideally contribute to - the school's success in all aspects.

Pick the right school for your son and your family, don't shoe-horn your son into a culture that isn't his or yours.

Jbliwecd1 · 30/01/2020 15:17

Hi loonatnoon and anewdecade,
Apparently LU had 1330 applicants this year and invited 350 back for interviews. Didn’t realise that 45 places were going to pupils of prep school. Oh dear... Odds just got substantially worse...

loonatnoon · 30/01/2020 15:25

Jb - but the 45 prep places are on top of the 130 or so places being offered. 350 is less than they used to interview and for 130 places, surely they must have to make at least 200 offers? So not bad odds?
Good luck!!!!

anewdecade · 30/01/2020 15:31

Once you've got an interview I'm not sure the odds are worst than any other school because the year group is much bigger than some others- Hampton is a smaller year at 11plus and they have prep school and 10plus places. Still not good odds though!
I love the fact that the school is more diverse than some others and their whole bursary programme. Haven't really talked to DS about it though in terms of positives about the school. He is actually quite thoughtful about wider issues like that but I can't help think that if he brought it up at interview it might sound a bit like he was copying what his parents said rather than something that was coming from him. Am probably over thinking it all!

ForeverbyJudyBlume · 30/01/2020 15:39

@anewdecade I'd just have a general chat about what you like about the school with your ds, not telling him it's interview prep. He will mention what he remembers and likes personally in the interview and it won't sound too contrived

Jbliwecd1 · 30/01/2020 15:48

Thank you so so much, loonatnoon!!! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

magnaconcordia · 30/01/2020 16:00

I know two families who told me their DC got 100% scholarship at LU. I know them because our DCs played together in a park and/or went to the same after school activities at some point during their primary school age. So we would exchange a friendly chat when we bumped into each other but they aren't my friends and I don't know their full name/school/where they live. But I know from our small talk they both had a cleaner and a nanny and their DCs seemed to be alway busy with extra curricular activities so I believe it's a scholarship not bursary and both said so. They seemed very very pleased with the outcome. I didn't really think twice about it so believed up until now. But I'm not sure now after reading all the things written on here!

Spring2020 · 30/01/2020 16:53

Some comments here made me feel really bad, we are not planning to take anything that not belong to us.
If Dd is lucky enough to be one of the top performers then we have a right to hope and wish to have a scholarship IF it is available. What is wrong with that? Isnt it the way her hard work and her potential are recognised? Especially we are not rich and some how between the borderline of the thresthold.

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Jbliwecd1 · 30/01/2020 17:21

Spring2020, I think that what some of us object to are comments such as “if we started to earn more, would we be expected to pay something towards school fees...?”. Just think about this for a second... How do you think that that comes across?

ForeverbyJudyBlume · 30/01/2020 17:23

OP, don't feel bad, you've just frustrated some people by hoping for a huge scholarship to this particular school when it doesn't exist - whatever someone may have said to someone else in the park.

A bursary you can hope for if you're eligible. If you're not eligible you can logically afford to pay the fees, even if like many, many families you'll be skint afterwards. Maybe it's best just to look for another school that offers huge academic scholarships, though I'm not sure many exist any more

loonatnoon · 30/01/2020 17:41

OP, you could call the school at this stage and ask for clarification? There are some pupils there who are on part-bursary, part-music scholarship. There are others on part-bursaries or full bursaries and you might possibly find you’re more eligible than you think?

I do apologise if I came across as dismissive, but I just think it’s useful to be realistic because it’s stressful enough at 11+ as it is. One if my DD’s once got an “academic scholarship” from a Girls Consortium school, but it was only 5%.

I have known Putney High to give 2 scholarships to the same girl at 11 plus eg. one academic and one sports, but again, I don’t think it’s more than 5/10% in each case.

Jbliwecd1 · 01/02/2020 12:30

Hi everyone! Went to LU this morning for DS’s interview and the school gave everyone an A4 paper with some info about next steps (I think!). It mentioned three possible outcomes etc... I lost the paper... Would anyone be able to tell me its full content? Many many thanks...

givemesomewineplease · 01/02/2020 12:44

Here you go @Jbliwecd1

Latymer Upper
Jbliwecd1 · 01/02/2020 12:48

Thank you so much @givemesomewine! Good luck to your DC!!! x x x

givemesomewineplease · 01/02/2020 12:49

Thank you @Jbliwecd1! Really good luck to your ds! It's a nerve-racking time. Just read that the results will be sent by email rather than post on Fri 14th Feb.

user34254356 · 01/02/2020 14:25

How did others find it? My DC found it tough so we are not feeling very hopeful.

Jbliwecd1 · 01/02/2020 15:53

Hi user3425! It’s so difficult to try to guess how the interview went, right...? I mean, I asked DS about it but did not want to question too much... Didn’t want him to feel anxious about the outcome or feel that he did anything wrong if the result is not what we are hoping for (all the kids are true stars and have shown true grit just for coping with the process... the schools have to “split hairs” when making a decision). So I kind of “played it cool”, you know? He did say that the interviewer was very nice and that he had to enact a passage and talk about a picture, that he was asked about hobbies... He walked out feeling good about himself. Fingers crossed...

givemesomewineplease · 02/02/2020 09:01

I've always heard Latymer is a tough interview @user34254356 so don't necessarily write it off. Thus I wasn't expecting a gentle 'get-to-know' you type experience. DD's interview sounded challenging but she seemed reasonably happy with her responses and said the teacher was very nice. She's had a couple of similar interviews so I think she's got more used to the unexpected nature. Long wait until 14th - all fingers and toes are crossed!

user34254356 · 02/02/2020 09:01

It's hard to say but my DC didn't know what the picture was and the interviewer didn't really give any hints. Seems like they would select DCs who were able to recognise the picture?

I guess we just have to hold tight for two weeks and hope for the best!

user34254356 · 02/02/2020 09:03

Cross posted. Thanks givemesomwineplease. It's true my DC also found the Latymer paper as the toughest one of all the assessments and we were pleasantly surprised to have an interview call.

Fingers crossed!

Wishingitwasover · 02/02/2020 09:35

My DC came out smiling from the LU interview yesterday but not sure if that was sheer relief that the whole process is over! Although billed as a ‘getting to know you’ type interview, my feelings are that they asked quite grown up questions even just related to hobbies etc. I guess they are looking for something special in these kids. Just hope DC did enough... long wait now 😩😞