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Year 7 parents evening-child needs to be in attendance?

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amaryl · 23/01/2020 13:37

Is this normal?
In junior school they didn’t want them there.
Is this just for year 7?
Ds has been recently flagged up for dyslexia, barely started to deal with that.
I’ve just received his school report, he’s doing ok, but I’m disappointed.
I’m not sure what else I can do, I just feel like he hates everything and me.
I’m not sure how I’m going to keep it together anyway and now ds has to be there, how can I have a conversation with them without conveying how disappointed I am.
I can’t find the right balance with encouragement/pressure
I’m failing, I’m crying and ultimately I just want him to be happy

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amaryl · 24/01/2020 22:06

I had a hours meeting with the HOY who is also the Senco. It was In Dec, they were having exams and then obviously Christmas so we said we’d wait until exam results and then parents evening. They are on it, she was lovely, v approachable. I will email her, and say obviously with his behaviour we will have to formulate a plan. It’s just now parents evening is right here and I’m not sure any of the teachers and I can’t even get the words together in my head, let alone speak to the teachers with him.

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itsgettingweird · 25/01/2020 06:37

I agree with those saying it's good.

It's ok to think your child can work harder, behave better, put more effort into homework for whatever.

And even better when they see parents and teachers both saying the same thing (best to stay unemotional and calm though!) and providing a united front and both setting the same expectations.

I have ds year11 parents evening next week. It goes so gays and they change so much from those year 7's finding their feet to young adults taking exams.

Chipmonkeypoopoo · 25/01/2020 06:47

As a teacher I find it useless to have parent teacher meetings without the student there. Too many misconstrued messages etc get passed around. I have asked students to leave part way through if I felt I needed to talk more with parents. You could do the same. As a teacher I would be happy for you to do that.

squeekums · 25/01/2020 07:04

Going out on a limb here, would his dad's death have something to do with it? Not discounting dyslexia at all but is his dad's death adding to that stress.
My mum died at a similar age and I was teased for it, seriously. But I said nothing to no one, who would believe me?
I struggled at school, not only was the work hard but I, like your ds, was an age where so much is changing, there no control in my life. So I just gave up, it was my way of having some control in my life.

TW2013 · 25/01/2020 07:25

I think the individual teachers are not in 5 minutes going to come up with a comprehensive plan to tackle his behaviour and performance. The best you can hope for is to have a clear discussion between the three of you showing him that you agree with the school and mentioning the meetings with SENCO to flag to the teachers the underlying issues.

One of mine allegedly 'could speak up more' so they liked her being there in yr7 so they knew who they were talking about. This might be one factor in asking students to come. She is never backwards in coming forward at home and wins debating prizes so my theory is that she is just not as lippy and chatty as some of the others.

QueenofLouisiana · 25/01/2020 07:51

As a teacher, I find parent’s evening goes well with a child there-once they are this age (6 year olds, not so much). I invite my yr6 pupils in and point out that nothing I say should be a huge surprise! If I’ve spent all term telling them to stop talking, I’ll be telling their parent that; if they’ve done brilliantly at fractions I’ll be sharing that too. Education at this point is a team effort, all 3 people involved need to be working towards the same thing- and all know what that is. I’m also very capable of asking a pupil to pop out if I need a quiet word alone with a parent- and happily do so.

As a SENCO, I often have child-free meetings. We can get into the nitty-gritty of that he barriers to learning are for that child. That might include things the child doesn’t want me to know- they wet tfe bed, they get frustrated and trash stuff, whatever- but that parents (rightly) need to tell me to build up a bigger picture. I’m always happy to arrange these at another time.

I also have a child diagnosed with a SpLD at that age (just before yr6 SATs). We all found yr7 really hard. School exhausted him, he frequently fell asleep on his bedroom floor, just being organised enough to deal with the day was a challenge. He got into small doses of trouble (never his fault apparently). It was a tough year. Yr8 was easier (even when his hormones kicked in), he was more familiar with the routine and less overwhelmed. Now in Yr10, he’s enjoying his GCSE options and is (mainly) fully engaged. He’s not a Grade 9 student, but he wants to do the best he can and is proud to share his progress. Parenting a child with SpLD can be a bumpy road- balancing an understanding of their needs and giving a kick up the bottom when they just can’t be bothered. It’s hard to know what’s right!

Has the school been in touch with their dyslexia outreach team for support? I’d use the PE to check with each teacher that they are aware of the SpLD and are making the reasonable adjustments needed. We often found DS was sitting at the back “because he’s tall”. This goes completely against the recommendations for his diagnosis. I found teachers telling him to copy more accurately off the board (nope, can’t do that) and complaining that they’d told him how to spell that word in class- hmmm, not that simple.

Some of these things only came to light at PE as they’d give this sort of feedback to DS in front of me. When he was younger he didn’t know how to tell teachers he needed to be moved/ can’t hear the spelling sound etc so he needed me to do that. He’s now confident enough to talk about his diagnosis and tell teachers if he needs something to help.

amaryl · 25/01/2020 11:03

Squeekums- He has a nice group of friends, mainly from junior school, although there’s a few new ones. He’s not close to them though. None of them know that his Dad died, he’s never discussed it with them. He said he feels sad when they talk about their Dad’s but he’s never brought it up. Different from his old school, and friends and parents who supported us when it happened.

I do feel that he has no control over anything, it’s just too overwhelming and has given up.
Queen- I really just want to know that all his teachers are aware that he’s struggling, more than likely because of the dyslexia. Handing out detentions and sending him out of class is never going to help.

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Chipmonkeypoopoo · 25/01/2020 11:37

Honestly is sounds like there is a much bigger issue than is appropriate for parent-teacher evening. I don't know what your set up is but many schools will have all the teachers sitting in an open space together about 1m apart. I think the situation you are describing needs a proper meeting with the appropriate person(s) at school. Usually head of year/pastoral contact person and perhaps any teachers you know your son gets on with etc. There just isn't enough time at parent-teacher conferences to unpack the issues that (rightly) concern you. If you sat at my desk with these concerns I would be booking a follow up appointment to discuss further with you.

Incidentally, I always start meetings with the child there with "how do you think it's going?" I give the student 10-30 seconds to summarise and then talk from there. You may want to help your son prepare some thoughts as I know at least several of my colleagues do the same.

pointythings · 25/01/2020 13:58

It feels to me like part of your DS' problem is around complex bereavement. Losing a parent at any age is hard; the problems can crop up much, much later. There are voluntary organisations who offer bereavement support for children - my DD2 has benefited from this. I would seriously look into this for your DS alongside pastoral support from the school. I really hope you start tackling this as something much deeper than a badly behaved Yr7 - your DS needs and deserves help. Flowers

squeekums · 25/01/2020 15:35

@amaryl i tried to hide it from new people too, you just dont wanna be different
Id say also look at speaking to someone outside school about his dad. This an element they not equipped to deal with in most schools.
Are there any local youth bereavement groups?
For me, my mum died of cancer, I was in Canteen, a youth cancer group in Aus, every kid there was either sick, had lost a sibling or parent or had a sibling or parent in current treatment, or they were survivors. We all knew each others world even as strangers, we were normal in that time. It really helped a lot.

Try finding him something he has control over, does he like to draw? he a gamer? a sport? Not even as a full fledged team competitive thing, just a fun, friendly get together, local group. He chooses the activity, if he goes, how much he puts in. Its some control

Growingboys · 25/01/2020 16:04

Yes normal at our school. The child is there every time all the way through til A Levels

KillingEvenings · 25/01/2020 16:07

PArents evening isn't the only opportunity to talk with the teacher. Use it as an opener - you only have 10 minutes anyway - and ask if you could have another chat privately, either at the meeting or email ahead. I think it's important for DC to feel part of the process as its them afterall, but equally get not all coversations can be had with them there

GreenTulips · 25/01/2020 16:16

Teachers very rarely understand dyslexia.

Day dreaming? - detention
Asking what they need to do? - sent out
Messing around because they forgot the first set of instructions? Phone call home

If he has memory issues, the teacher will say go to page x write date and title, underling, read paragraph y and answer questions on Z

He’s forgotten the first three instructions, because he can’t find a pen and now his friends asked him a question he doesn’t know which page to turn too.

The teachers asked him 3 times to sit down, and he hasn’t heard due to the noise levels in class and she’s not got his attention so he didn’t know to sit down. He’s now got detention and has no idea what for ......

Standard secondary schools lack of dyslexia training and understanding.

Chipmonkeypoopoo · 25/01/2020 16:23

@GreenTulips I assume you've had a very negative experience with teachers and I am sorry for that. But my experience of teaching in the UK is in stark contrast to your description. There are very well trained teachers out there and teaching assistants who work hard for their students and support their learning in often very under resourced settings.

Aragog · 25/01/2020 16:25

At dd's secondary, and now at her sixth form in a school, dd was expected to attend with us. They were called Joint Consultations rather than parents evening.

It was handy to start with just from a finding our way round point of view as secondary schools can be big and confusing as to where rooms are.

Aragog · 25/01/2020 16:28

OP - re the dyslexia etc it might be better to arrange a separate appointment to talk to the right people separately. The 3/4 minute slot with the subject teachers will be too short for you to deal with discussing it all, in my experience of parents evenings. The timings are really short and teacher's are u see pressure to stick to them, and they are often carried out in rooms with other teachers and parents in pretty close vicinity.

GreenTulips · 25/01/2020 16:52

I assume you've had a very negative experience

My DS is dyslexic. I have had the same conversation with a variety of teachers over the years. I have preempted the problems giving teachers the nod on how to deal with him and his issues. A list of what works and what doesn’t.

It’s wearing.

I step in when I see things going tits up and a teacher obviously is struggling with his behavior.

He wants to be ‘liked’ as he has a strong personality and responds well to being liked. Like a small puppy!!!

Any small gap of feeling disliked he shuts down and disengages. He’ll refuse to do any work in class etc etc

Things will go well then the teacher leaves or moved or pregnant and the new teacher comes in and we start again. Without warning.

Sad but true.

Chipmonkeypoopoo · 25/01/2020 17:06

@GreenTulips sounds like you have had a rough time. In your context. Please don't suggest we are all untrained and no good with children with SEN including dyslexia. On the other hand, any teacher worth their salt would ask for your input from day dot because you know your child and you know their history. What works, doesn't work, etc. I hope things improve for him as he moves through school.

amaryl · 25/01/2020 17:17

Green tulips- Your description is exactly what I think is going on
And my son wants to be liked too, bit of a joker. If a teacher tells him off he’s convinced they hate him. His self esteem is a bit delicate

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GreenTulips · 26/01/2020 00:30

Self esteem is a huge issue.

They know they aren’t stupid. It can’t keep up or take in large chunks of information. Get left behind. End up in lower sets going over the same stuff they did in junior school. Become board and lack any motivation.

Look up Nessy and the Dyslexia Association.

You have to give his skills to enable him to be organized - I found a Apple Watch helps. Set reminders etc. Visual aids help as well - spellings stuck to the wall.
Touch typing is brilliant for dyslexic kids.

I would also say this, dyslexic children have qualities that aren’t measurable by school systems.

Their ability to see the whole picture, they don’t get bogged down by details (too hard to focus) they are amazing with their hands, fantastic people persons.

Richard Branson has just announced his companies will no longer request formal qualifications from any employer because he doesn’t have any, they see creativity in dyslexics that others have been institutionalized boxed in.

They are good people with great qualities that a standard school just can’t tick box.

amaryl · 27/01/2020 14:01

I’ve emailed the senco and his form teacher to discuss a plan and asking if all his subject teachers are aware of the dyslexia. I need to know before parents evening
He did a fair bit of homework over the weekend, and oh the drama. In the end he did a really good job, but he did it on the computer, not written. I hope to God that’s not an issue, cos that would set him right back

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amaryl · 29/01/2020 12:27

The senco’s plan is for me to talk to teachers at parents evening, see where he needs help and make a plan from there, with a meeting after parents evening . She also says that not all his teachers are aware of the dyslexia .
So I’ll just muddle through the parents evening, looking like I’m making excuses for him, when he really is struggling with things out if his control.
Any hints on what I can say? I’m going to make a list of what I think will help him.

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GreenTulips · 29/01/2020 12:29

I have a list! But I have to go to work

I’ll come back later

BackforGood · 29/01/2020 21:30

She also says that not all his teachers are aware of the dyslexia

Why not ? Confused

that would me my opening comment.
I would start with - I'm really shocked to hear from the SENCo that not all teachers are aware of ds's dyslexia. Are you aware ? What adjustments are being made to enable him to access the lessons and have a differentiated approach to homework ?

I would definitely let the school know about the Bereavement. As others have said, it will be impacting on him hugely.
Has he had any bereavement support ?
The Hospice (if one were involved)
Winston's Wish
Child Bereavement Support
Cruse

are all National Organisation, and of course there are other, smaller, local groups.

TW2013 · 30/01/2020 07:07

She also says that not all his teachers are aware of the dyslexia

That is her job and if I were her I would be contacting them right away. Is there a head of year who can contact the teachers and make them aware not just of that but also the bereavement because those are major gaps in the teacher's understanding of your son and if I were you I wouldn't want to have to keep relaying that information 14 times at parents evening and as a teacher I wouldn't want to be put on the spot like that.