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Do you DC's school have text book for KS3? What do you do to support?

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LoveAutumnsky · 29/11/2019 13:35

DC2 is in Y7, there is no text book in his school at KS3. How can you revise what teacher taught without text book?

Anyway,I bought science text book as DS looked at what the teacher use. But there seems not text books for other subjects. I went to the book shop, there are only exam revision books.

What would you do?Thanks.

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LolaSmiles · 30/11/2019 16:23

The differences between different systems are fascinating gin.
Sadly, what often happens in policy, in some schools, and with some parents is they decide X system does X and is better so therefore the UK System is wrong for not doing X, often whilst paying little to no attention on variables A B C D E etc.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 16:33

Don't all secondary schools have a VLE anyway

Ds’s school does not have a VLE. Neither did dd’s School but she had textbooks.

He has autism and struggles with note taking but lack of funding for TA & computers means he has blank exercise books & a mess of photocopies to revise from. Not the teacher’s fault (with the exception of a couple who think he is capable of copying reams from the board by hand or making summaries)

Students are expected to buy their own GCSE revision guides & English texts. They get a cheap price through school but a lot of parents are unable to afford this. The school uses mathswatch.

Ds uses Seneca & BBC bitesize mostly.

Ginfordinner · 30/11/2019 16:40

We found BBC Bitesize invaluable for GCSE revision. DD hated English lit, poetry in particular. Fortunately BBC Bitesize covered her poetry topic (conflict) and she basically memorized everything to regurgitate it in her exam. She got an A.

ChloeDecker · 30/11/2019 16:45

Comefromaway
All that you refer to is for GCSE. However, this thread is about Key Stage 3.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 16:52

It was the same for KS3 (bar Seneca) CGP guides and mathswatch plus whatever bits of bbc bitesize were relevant.

Schools can’t afford textbooks (well ds’s school can’t anyway). I do feel that for someone like Ds (slow processing/poor organisation etc) it has disadvantaged him.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 16:53

At his previous school they used online textbooks and he got on much better with them. But he had to leave that school

LolaSmiles · 30/11/2019 17:00

What texts were they doing for English then?
Because CGP have KS3 guides for 3/4 Shakespeare plays max and some grammar workbooks and that's it.

So not:
A range of novels
Poetry
Plays
Non fiction
Creative writing
Speaking and listening

So they don't have the vast majority of the KS3 English curriculum available because the curriculum is taught through the schools choosing their own texts.

Bitesize has some skills based activities, but again it doesn't cover a school's full KS3 offer.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 17:07

Previous school for English in Year 7/8 they used a textbook called Ignite English. I remember end of year 7 exam being based on study of a war poem. They also studied Macbeth but that was in drama class and mostly practical work.

Current school they did Romeo & Juliet & Of Mice & Men plus lots of work on creative writing. He really struggled and I ended up getting a tutor to help him.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 17:09

I bought the CGP kS3 English Complete Revision & Practice study guide to try and help him.

LolaSmiles · 30/11/2019 17:16

The ignite one is probably a skills based approach then rather than what most schools do where they study whole texts or topics (e.g. conflict poetry / journalistic writing / persuasive speeches / Dracula).

The CGP you mention is also skills based not text based so useful to recap skills (I suggest the KS4 version for GCSE) but not so much for revision or assessment preparation at KS3, unless the school have done their whole KS3 around the skills for English Lang GCSE and are therefore doing death by extracts and exam style questions. If that's the case then curriculum design is a much bigger issue.

The reason they'll have textbooks then for Romeo and Juliet and Of Mice and Men is because Romeo and Juliet is also a GCSE text and Of Mice and Men is a former GCSE text so (as with the current GCSE texts) there's extensive material.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 17:21

I remember endless year 7 homework tasks on PEE.

LolaSmiles · 30/11/2019 17:23

That sounds like an English curriculum built around panicking that students won't know the write PEE/PEA/PQI/PETAL etc format for an exam so they do endless repetition of exam questions.

Analytical writing is a core part of English, but doing death by PEE over teaching a range of interesting texts is an illogical decision on the school's part.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 17:24

In Year 7 (school 1) they did read a novel (can’t remember which) but that wasn’t the basis for any tests or exams. Year 8 was very poetry/transactional writing based.

Ds did tell me the reason they did Mice & Men (school 2) was because school had the books from the previous GCSE Syllabus.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 17:26

School 1 was a selective school. School 2 is non selective comp.

LolaSmiles · 30/11/2019 17:30

It's why most schools have put Of Mice and Men into KS3, mine included. It's a good story, short and we already have all the stuff.

The thing with KS3 is that not only do schools have full text freedom, since levels were abolished they also have to design their own assessment systems. Some are good, some are awful, some are essentially 5 years of GCSE and there's no benchmarking of quality between schools so school A could say that X Y Z is the right standard for y7, whilst school B could say A B C is. Nobody compared for parity. Even within schools KS3 assessment is inaccurate at best and a mess at worst.

ChloeDecker · 30/11/2019 20:03

But Cromefromaway you again are mostly talking about a couple of subjects. And even then, text books not fully covering those. What do you suggest people do when a Key Stage 3 text book does not exist? Why is a text book the golden standard?
( and in my subject, the Seneca module is full of errors and the person they advertise as ‘being the expert’ is not actually a teacher, never mind for the subject...I don’t use it or recommend it, for my subject)

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 20:13

Hang on. When have I said textbooks are the golden standard. I’m just describing what happened at ds’s schools and what we provided try and help him.

Comefromaway · 30/11/2019 20:15

Anything has to be better than nothing for him.

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