Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

Are Trinity, DC, Whitgift schools anti-BAME?

29 replies

GhanaDad · 15/11/2019 20:09

Our son is currently enrolled at a top private preparatory school in Ghana 🇬🇭.

My wife and I would very much like him to attend the Whitgift School which is a major private school in Surrey, England.

We have been warned that the school accepts relatively few BAME students, and that this is normal for the private schools in England, despite many elite schools being situated in relatively multicultural areas.

If there is a problem with access to BAME at the elite schools in England, why is this the situation and what if anything is being done to redress the imbalance? Why are the grammar schools full of BAME students yet we are sorely underrepresented in the fee-paying schools?

OP posts:
Michaelahpurple · 23/11/2019 21:07

I suspect the OP was a wind up

Home2018 · 29/11/2019 22:22

HappyPieFace " Ignorance + self entitlement. Urgh" is exactly what your post stinks of.

Why do you assume that your son has more right to be in these spaces? The schools are selective and the children who sit the papers with the best scores get the places.

Perhaps the reason that these schools are made up of largely Asian children is that they have put more work in, are smarter or simply performed better on the day.

Ignorance, self-entitlement, idiocy and a touch of racism - urgh!

Home2018 · 30/11/2019 00:17

Ghanadad - I think you have written about the best schools as far as the intake of black children is concerned. However, I have anecdotal stories of the schools trying to outwardly change their appearance to cater to those who have concerns about 'too many' black children. Of course, it would be hard to prove this and there is no hard evidence, but I would say that these are words that I have heard uttered from your more traditional independent school parent on more than one occasion. However, for balance and in my own experience, both look like great schools with great heads and inclusive/diverse staff groups.

I wrote this on another thread. It touches on some points you and other posters have made...................................................................................

OP, it's a shame that you have had a lot of parents provide their assertions without experience.

I, and every other parent of black children that I know, without exception, considers the ethnic makeup of a school in depth.

I know people who are considering offers for some of the counties most academic schools (think KCS, Eton, Winchester, NCLS) and the lack of black (not BME but black) children is a major conflict.

Whilst BME is an inclusive term, it doesn't take into account the different cultures that exist within it. In our school, a large proportion of the black children have faced racist incidents (often naive, media encouraged, parental ignorance-based) and comments. And, because these environments have historically had fewer black people in them, a lot of these stereotypes have gone unchecked.

Black people have a unique and individual set of racial stereotypes made against them, as does every other group, but a lot of the stereotypes are what one might say are bottom of the barrel. Think thieves, promiscuous, more aggressive, less intelligent, less wealthy, etc.

In contrast, although still racist, a lot of the stereotypes that exist around say South Asians, for instance, are well-prepped, very academic, very engaged parents (tiger mum-ish) and very ambitions. Whilst this is true in part, this is also true for other racial groups and not true for many South Asians.

As reluctant as I am to play stereotype Olympics, I know which group I'd rather fall into.

A lot of these schools are underrepresented because these exact stereotypes lead to a whole host of identity issues (as above) and I know in my experience, that being around people that looked like me helped, in part, to deal with the daily microaggressions of society.

Whilst the academics are undoubtedly amazing, what is the point if the children come out with identity issues and a lack of self-confidence/imposter syndrome. Honestly, confidence is the one definitive things that people invest in independent schooling for!

There is a concentration of children in Whitgift & Trintiy for this reason. And, despite all of the stereotypes, many full fee-paying, academic children, are in these schools over more academic schools that they have been awarded places in, because of the amount of black, not multi-ethnic, but black children already there!

Many posters see 'diversity' but that's such a lazy term. Just in the same way that I would not expect Irish, Scottish and German people to have the same culture, I don't expect African, Carribean, Chinese and Indian people to either. Yes, many London schools are diverse, but most, across the board, are willfully underrepresented when it comes to black children.

Despite the stereotypical assumptions made for the reasons why, for many black parents (not all, but the vast majority) that are in a position to independently educate their children, unless they can get their children into a handful of schools, many opt for state schooling instead to save their children the trauma of being so drastically 'othered'.

And, unfortunately, many children of mixed (black) heritage will also feel this way in adulthood but perhaps grown by parents that won't have this initial insight until the children are able t later relay understand, articulate and relay this information back to them - usually well into adulthood.

DameJane · 30/11/2019 10:29

Op just wondering why you want your son to come to school in England? There are some really great schools in Ghana. Why come somewhere which is for the most part cold, grey and wet and where, regardless of diversity, he’ll still be considered a minority. Better to stay and thrive in Ghana.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page