If my son got this in his KS1 SATS, is Tiffin a possibility?

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Obviously he is only 7, things can change, we could move, etc etc. But very very broadly speaking, are these the sorts of scores that indicate a possibility that he may be bright enough for Tiffin?

Maths 55/60, scaled score 110
English 37/40, scales score 113

Thoughts or indeed your Tiffin boys KS1 SATS scores very welcome!

TIA

Start on whichever ones they find easy. The quickest way to put them off is for them to be hard.

@TwelveLeggedWalk - Start with 8-9.

I see--thanks.

Bond is ok to start with but definitely not suitable for the super selective schools. Look on the elevenplusexams forum for the right, targeted material.

Kumon is a good way to get kids over 5 faster in maths and English tests. Not going to help directly with private school tests but will definitely help their test prep.

DD went to a London grammar and vast majority of kids had 120x3 in KS2 SATS - don't know KS1s. Though vast majority had been tutored or helped at home a lot so with those scores its still possible.

My DD didn't do much prep at all - an hour a week for a term of year 5 but that just got her on waiting list initially and in in July. Since then results have gone up. She did a survey of the class and almost all had been tutored or done lots at home for 1-3 years and a few continued to be tutored. I'm not sure 3 years is necessary, 1 is fine though worth looking at non-verbal as its quite different. Bond is only about 50 a year, we got that (online and did actual 11 plus but started in year 5) Generally don't go too much harder than they are comfortable with. A lot of the girls at the grammar were hard working and bright rather than amazingly bright - they had 2 hours homework a night in year 7 and got results partly through hard work. DD hated that as loves to socialize so it didn't suit her but academically it was amazing. DD has used Mathletics in past and that has been good - she's always been top of her year in maths even in grammar. Good luck.

DD got 110 and 115 (115 is the highest in KS1 120 is for KS2) for English and Maths respectively and is in Year 5 and we are working towards the Surrey Grammars and possibly Tiffin (we live v close to Surrey Grammars). So I would say it is a possibility

Yeah selective school places will go to the hardworking who put the work in to pass and the ‘so exceptionally clever they can get 100% without any work / pick things up instantly’ crowds. Latter is rare. In all my years of tutoring I have only seen 5 kids in that group.

Moderately intelligent children who don’t pick things up instantly but are too lazy to do the work will struggle to pass and can’t really be tutored either.

This is why parents get frustrated, blaming the system, but actually selective education is for kids who can pass exams consistantly, not just the selection tests at the beginning; and many schools prefer consistancy. In fact I have seen kids who have passed, been rejected for places, then got them on appeal because they can show a portfolio of consistant work (this is where taking other tests helps).

Thanks for your insights teddybear. That makes sense. I do think that for the vast majority hoping to get in with no/ just last minute preparation is unrealistic.

My daughter got similar KS1 sat scores and is now Year 4, working at greater depth in core subjects. I think a lot comes down to motivation and praise from parents for them simply trying. The more they are encouraged the more likely they'll enjoy it. We would like her to go to a selective, but not super selective school so no intense tutoring planned! During year 4 we've worked with her mostly in times tables and creative writing (with lots of reading at home). No test papers, no revision, no set hours of homework and over April she did very little for the whole month as she seemed to need a break from all school work. We use a maths snap game which is great and she enjoys, and get her apply what she knows in real life. For example, using her pocket money and calculating change and what she can afford. Getting her to work out ratios for ingredients for making a cake, even putting her in charge of Sunday dessert allocation so she splits it equally and knows how many pieces we can each have. She enjoys being a able to do Suduko with her dad and loves making her own crossword puzzles. I don't want her to think learning is about passing tests, rather being able to pass tests is a by-product of working hard and being knowledgeable.

In year 5 we shall introduce VR and NVR. One of her birthday presents is a maths quest book 'museum of mysteries' which I hope she enjoys but shouldn't be a chore. I've no doubt super selective schools require proper tutoring, but I always think learning should be fun and if they want to do then they will. But yes, with hard work, your son should do well as he already has an aptitude.

Having just looked at Tiffin Girls and Boys admissions do you live within 14km of Tiffins because I think you probably do in order to get in

For the girls no one outside of the designated area has gotten in since it was brought in I imagine the same is for the boys

IIRC they have also brought in priority criteria - inner catchment and FSM.

Thanks @Lightsabre - we're not in a super selective area, I'm just aware that we might be going for an entrance exam at 11+ and we don't really have a network of tutors/our primary state school is not set up for that at all so looking at resources that we could gently start using any time from now. DS LOVES a work book so might order a few Bonds and see how he gets on.

Tiffin girls has an inner area and then a designated area of postcodes

Tiffin boys has a 10km then 14km area - I would be shocked if it goes beyond this

Both Tiffin and the Sutton Grammars are trying to get more and more local - the OOC scores for Sutton Grammars is far higher than it used to be

Twelveleggedwalk are you within the catchment area of any of the them it is far harder if you are not

My dc got 38/40 for reading with no tuition ks1. They do love to read though.
I dont think ks1 reading paper seems very stretching.
And agree with pp that age in year will make a difference.

In terms of practise, once the KS2 curriculum is covered, start looking at independent school papers such as Manchester Grammar, Group 1,2 and Haberdashers etc. These kind of problem solving questions are what DC can expect in Stage 2 of the exams.