Anyone else get NO OFFER?!

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Anyone else didn’t get any offer at all and been told to wait till the second round?!

Lougle hypothetically if the over subscription criteria has been applied wrong, this is likely to affect more than just flippy, (and then the downward ripple effect as well) can offers of places be withdrawn to those who otherwise wouldn't have got in?

So I gather there are a fair few people near me (N London) who haven't got places because they put down 6 completely unrealistic schools. They will definitely get one eventually as there are undersubscribed schools in the area, but if any of them had put down our local, well-rated comp (which is oversubscribed but not ludicrously so) they'd have been absolutely fine.

Answering the call from HotpotLawyer!

we are on the border of 3 LA's so two closest schools are in different LA to where we are and we have been told preference given to pupils within authority.

As others have said, this is illegal. They can have a formal priority area, the boundary of which coincides with the LA. But, if they do not have that and decide admissions based on distance, they absolutely cannot prioritise pupils with the LA. Complain. Loudly. If they say they are acting legally, mention the Greenwich judgement (this was the court case which established that LAs cannot prioritise pupils from within their own area). If they continue to resist, tell them that you will refer the matter to the Local Government Ombudsman. And definitely appeal, although that really shouldn't be necessary. From the information you've posted it sounds like they have made a clear mistake which they should correct without going to appeal.

If you want to PM me the name of the schools and LA involved before you complain I will be happy to take a look and make sure you aren't missing anything.

hypothetically if the over subscription criteria has been applied wrong, this is likely to affect more than just flippy, (and then the downward ripple effect as well) can offers of places be withdrawn to those who otherwise wouldn't have got in?

Offers can only be withdrawn if they do it very quickly. There is no recent case law on this but it is generally accepted that they have to withdraw offers made in error within 3 days. If they don't withdraw the offers and the school really can't cope with the additional pupils who should have been admitted, their most likely way forward is to make the affected parents appeal. The appeal panel will then have to figure out how many the school can cope with and which children are most deserving of places.

Thanks prh47bridge, I knew you would know what to cite!

Thank you @prh47bridge, would love to pm you if that's ok.... daft question but how do I PM you?

On Prh’s post click the 3 dots and it should give you the option of sending a PM

Thanks @ShaggyRug I'm on my mobile app and can't see three dots 🤔 do I need to be on desktop?

Keeping my fingers crossed for all of you.
Are you in the Boro @flippyfloppy?

Dad of two, Dale Kenvyn said he was shocked to discover his daughter Drew was one of 100 youngsters to miss out when Middlesbrough Council broke the news on Friday that the town’s secondary schools were completely full as a result of 'unprecedented demand'.

“We’ve been informed today that they’re not going to give us any school,” said the 30-year-old.
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/17470593.familys-anger-after-council-denies-girl-ten-place-at-school/

@flippyfloppy not sure on the app as can’t find it myself. I use safari in my phone so either that way or on desktop should give you the dots.

Yes, the LA get into very difficult waters when they make mistakes that affect large numbers of applicants. If they were to remove places from the children who had been offered the places in error, that would disadvantage them, because the schools they would have correctly been placed in have now been allocated to other children. So, as prh says, the Admissions Code only allows mistakes to be rectified 'quickly'. Under the old Code, case law held 'quickly' to be within 3 days. There hasn't been anything to replace that yet under the new code, so there is no concrete guidance, but 3 days is likely to be reasonable.

Then, in order to sort out the mess, the LA would have to re-rank every child by category and distance, not taking into account which LA they fall into. That would give them the list of children who have been wrongly denied a place.

However, it will also depend on how many parents appeal the decision. The panel can't just admit them all, with no regard for safety or the efficient teaching of the existing pupils. They have to make a sensible decision about how many children can reasonably be admitted, then which children should be admitted.

If this turns out to be the case then the fallout from this is going to be huge as so many children have been effected.

I really want to cry. (And I have a school place)

Thanks Lougle if it is right then so many children will have had places denied further down the system.

@prh47bridge

Have I tagged PRH right?

Yes you have, runwithme.