Is the KS2 spag test included in calculation for GCSE target

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Is the KS2 spelling and grammar SATS test included in the calculation used by Oftsed to measure progress at secondary school against GCSE targets? Thank you.

of course their targets are fixed

They’re not, actually, FFT targets change every year once the latest data from the most recent lot to sit GCSEs is processed. My Y11s now have different FFT targets to what they had when I started teaching them in Y10.

Schools shouldn’t be sharing FFT targets with the kids, and certainly not in Y7, that’s just bonkers.

I have no idea if they are FFT targets and it is all fairly irrelevant to me but school reports at all the secondaries around here state target GCSEs throughout the school not just in KS4.

Some kids have targets of 3 which seems incredible to me that the target is to fail and others 8 which may be fine for many but for my yr 10 DC is totally unrealistic. Even if target changed to 7 or 9 from year to year it is still going to be unrealistic for most subjects as it was based on being able to achieve 100% on a reading and maths test but not on being able to write which is crucial for most GCSEs.

Surely school are not going to change a target from 8 to 3 for example because they need to demonstrate progress from KS2 and are measured on such.

For some children a 3 would be an incredible achievement and represent exceptional progress made between KS2 and KS4. How can that not be evident to you?

Surely school are not going to change a target from 8 to 3 for example because they need to demonstrate progress from KS2 and are measured on such.

Progress is measured and reported at the end of KS4 using actual results, not targets that the school has bought in.

School are perfectly able to change a target from an 8 to a 3. They just generally don’t want to.

bsc - because I am not a teacher, did not go through UK education system and all I have heard is parents and children upset that their target is a 3 and other pupils sneering that their target is to fail. It is not that I cannot see that it could be good progress but more that that is not being conveyed to the students, parents or peers. Presumably because schools want a certain percentage to achieve maths and English at 4 or 5 regardless of their progress figures.

I find it very strange that a target based on a childs reading and maths is used to set written subjects and practical subjects where there may be no correlation. Surely they might be capable of a 9 in art for example and targeted a 3 or vice versa in English.
My understanding is that the schools progress is measured on this regardless of what targets they tell the child.

When my youngest son went to secondary school ( some time ago now!) , his targets were set from KS2 SATs results, targets for ALL subjects. I was dragged into school at the end of year 7 as they were very concerned he had fallen behid his target grades in a couple of subjects, specifically PE, music and art. I had to explain that, yes he was bright and had achieved Level 5 in reading, writing , maths and science but there was no way he would achieve similar grades in Art, music and PE as

1. he is dyspraxic
2. he has ASD and finds it very difficult to work in groups ( which impacted on his music and PE which were assessed on group work)

The teacher apologised but said that was how their targets were set.

He never did achieve his targets in those three subjects!