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Offers from RGS and KCS which one should we go for?

26 replies

SusieQKew1 · 17/02/2019 10:48

Hi all I’m looking to get some advice regarding Kings College School Wimbledon and Royal Grammar School Guildford. We are lucky to be in the position to have an offer for DS to start in September 2019. What are the main differences between the schools as you see it? Any advice from current parents of these schools would be very much appreciated

Thank you

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NumbersLetters · 17/02/2019 10:50

Choose the one you live closest to. That's going to matter to your child more than anything else.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 17/02/2019 11:52

You are looking for differences that don't exist, these are very similar schools covering different geographical areas. DS1 just finished at KCS. No-one from his year commuted in from the Guildford area because bright boys in Guildford go to RGS. The cut off is about Cobham, south of that RGS.

Mastfam · 17/02/2019 18:39

In the same position SusieQ. Believe the exposure at Kings is much better. If we pick KCS we will definitely move from Guildford but is it worth the pain?

Jaymummy · 18/02/2019 15:40

Hi we are in the same position having offers from kcs and rgs but live in Guildford . I feel the same that the exposure at kcs might be more . Does it have the edge of rgs ?
Not sure which to choose . I don’t think we will move . Maybe lift share to Wimbledon ?

misshalfglass · 18/02/2019 16:04

Sorry Jaymummy but i can't imagine why, when you live in Guildford, you would chose KCS over RGS. Walk to school/short drive or rely on SWR to get your DS there on time! Your DS would be able to have access to everything that RGS has to offer, both intra and extra-curricular, surely this would give him the "edge" you are looking for. Not to mention where your DS' friends might live for social pick ups late at night.
Just an opinion , but i wouldn't consider it!

SusieQKew1 · 18/02/2019 17:58

Thanks everyone. We live in Walton so literally between the two schools! What do you mean by more ‘exposure’ at KCS?

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AbstractNoun · 18/02/2019 18:38

The KCS headmaster is certainly in the national press more often!

Jaymummy · 18/02/2019 20:02

Thank you misshalfglass. The distance is an issue and I understand the disadvantages with the social aspect . I thought more onsite facilities with kcs . I’m not sure myself.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 18/02/2019 20:58

KCS facilities are not onsite. The sports fields are the other side of the slowest level crossing in the country at Motspur Park. It is easy to spend 15 minutes there without moving - I often did.

Jaymummy - have you been reaading Tatler? KCS is a very nice school but so is RGS.

SusieQ - a tiny number of boys came in from that area, less than 5 from the year. Your DS will be going to parties in Clapham, Putney and K&C. It's an expensive uber out to Walton with no-one to share the cost. Hopefully someone from RGS will come on and give an idea of how many go from your direction.

SusieQKew1 · 18/02/2019 22:00

Thanks cakeisalwaystheanswer - useful to know re other students. I think the numbers from Walton are larger for RGS. There are children who go to KCS on my road and I’m meeting one of them for the first time next week to find out more. I just thought in could get some advice sooner on this forum - I appreciate the replies

I’ve looked into the commute and it seems we are almost exactly one hour away for both RGS and KCS.this is by train. There is a school bus for KCS that leaves from/back to Esher whereas RGS boys go on the train

The fees are about the same - but at RGS they seem to be steady years 7-10 and KCS increase them as you go higher in the year groups.

The impression I’m getting is that the schools are very similar in that they attract the same sort of boy- would this be fair to say?

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cakeisalwaystheanswer · 18/02/2019 22:08

Absolutely right, the difference really is just down to geography.

Parents moan about the cost of the KCS bus so that's worth looking into. Also as it leaves straight away at it means that if your DS is staying for anything after school, club, sports matches, supervisions etc he will have to take the train/tube etc so you are paying twice.

I can't remember what happens with the fees. We've got three so we just sign cheques and try not to look at the numbers!

surreygoldfish · 18/02/2019 22:28

2DS at RGS, only know KCS by reputation. Unless you think there’s a ‘game changer’ between one or other I would go for closest .... a lot of the RGS boys live in and around Guildford so most social activities centre around Guildford. A sizeable contingent travel in from Walton, although may vary year to year. It’s not just socially, travel time becomes wearing .... mine only have a 10 min journey but with the vagaries of SW trains can be pretty unreliable particularly after school.

sandybayley · 19/02/2019 06:54

Like others I would definitely go with the nearest school.

I have to disagree with @cakeisalwaystheanswer about the level crossing though! It certainly exists but you absolutely don't need to cross it to get to the sports fields. There is very satisfactory route to/from school and Wimbledon without it. The fact they're offsite really isn't an issue if you're local - both my DS either get the bus there (131) or train to Motspur Park when they need to get there independently (as easy as getting to school).

I actually think the accessibility of rowing (at Putney) would be more of an issue if you aren't local. I think early starts (6am) on the river would be an absolute pain if you lived in Walton.

BTW KCS fees are the same from Year 9-13. 7 and 8 are the same price.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 19/02/2019 07:56

Sandy - that whole area is a disaster in the late afternoon/evenings. The level crossing causes huge delays everywhere in all directions.
The reason it was such a big deal for me is that years ago we chose a school with onsite sports facilities a 5 min walk from home. Once the building work commenced and the school expanded there was a lot less space onsite and sport after school clubs moved to West Barnes Lane. Mine generally do other stuff in the evenings as well so I would have to pick up from there and the time I spent trapped in that area was ridiculous. I was so happy when DS2 chose to board.The school coach route goes through the level crossing as well.

sandybayley · 19/02/2019 07:58

@cakeisalwaystheanswer - I would never go that way. Straight up and down Grand Drive is the way to go. Never West Barnes Lane!

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 19/02/2019 08:06

Makes no difference after 5 which is probably why the coaches do it as well. I also think you get battle fatigue if you do it a lot, as its a battle you know you've already lost.

sandybayley · 19/02/2019 08:12

@cakeisalwaystheanswer - I possibly have a higher tolerance level than you for traffic. Let's agree to disagree 😉

Prufrockspeach · 19/02/2019 08:30

We had the same choice a few years back and the same choice again now. We went with KCS with the journey times being equidistant. The difference for us is that DS can actually walk to the coach pick up point even though its an earlier start - this makes a huge difference in terms of logistics. We do find ourselves driving to KCS a fair bit though - there are frequently after school practices for sport and theatre rehearsals/performances and also late night pick ups (i.e. have picked up at midnight after CCF activities!). Have also resorted to booking cabs for DS and a few friends that live in our area (about £30 split between 4 of them is sometimes worth it when its late at night). However I think this would have been the same with RGS and once you are in the car the differences either way down the A3 are negligible. I do find however that DS has a lot of friends from London - however, it is fairly easy for him to get into central london and see friends as the train/tube network is pretty easy to navigate. Friends with DS' at RGS have to drive their DSs to friends houses in Guildford and beyond etc, although they do tend to congregate in Guildford as well which is quite accessible. So actually its all much of a muchness really in terms of hassle factor. What I like about KCS is that its quite cosmopolitan in terms of its intake - probably a by product of having many parents living in central london. I also like the fact that there's girls in 6th form as I want DS to have some exposure before going to Uni. DS is also very into drama and RGS didn't offer Drama as a GCSE (something I didn't know until i dug a little deeper). Finally both my DS' are all rounders and I like the fact that KCS offers IB - it means that they can continue with some subjects that they would have had to drop had they been limited to 3 or 4 a-levels. Both are great schools though - a nice problem to have! Congrats to your DS!

Longdaze · 19/02/2019 08:48

You would never go via the Raynes Park one-way system and up Grand Drive if you were coming from Walton via the A3. Surely you’d come off at Shannon Corner and go over the level crossing that @cake talks about. I would agree, it is an enormously slow and frustrating crossing but if you’re coming from the Shannon Corner direction, you actually have the right of way over the crossing, and the sports-ground would probably be easier to get to than approaching it from the way/ways you would if coming from the school direction.

I think the biggest issue here is not having any local friends which I imagine would definitely be frustrating for your DC (and you) as they get older. There are not many in deep Surrey in my DS’s year as far as I’m aware.

Mummimoochkins · 19/02/2019 10:18

Hi! We were in your position 2 years ago and living in Weybridge at the time. RGS was probably marginally easier to get to and DS had several friends who were going there, versus none to KCS. However, we all just liked KCS more - our gut feeling was that it was a more welcoming place! There is nothing wrong with RGS and had there been no offer from KCS, we would have accepted RGS without hesitation and I’m sure DS would have been happy and successful there. If you feel really neutral between the two, perhaps a return visit with your DS to both schools would help to clarify your feelings?
Academically, both are excellent of course, and both offer a wide variety of sport, music, drama and many other extracurricular activities. My DS is now in year 8 at KCS and loves it. One difference between RGS and KCS , at least for those first two years, will be the size of the year group - lower school at KCS is small; this was good for my DS, who like many other boys starting there, was the only one from his junior school. The pastoral care has been really good so far and he’s made lots of great friends. The year group will expand a lot next year as they are joined by the boys from KCS prep school plus some other 13+ joiners, but he is looking forward to that too. Someone mentioned fees - they increase from year 9 at KCS but I believe they stay flat from that point through to the end of sixth form (subject to the normal “inflation” increases every year of course!).
Like a another poster here, I also like the fact that girls are admitted in the sixth form (this was not of interest as a factor for my DS!) and the option of IB is also potentially appealing as he has wide interests and may not want to narrow his studies too much at sixth form level. The school is very strong on IB but also on A levels, so it’s just nice to know you have the choice.
So, travel: we used to drive DS from Weybridge to Esher every morning where he caught the bus. It was a reasonably early start but we adjusted! The bus service was good, there were plenty of boys using it and he rather enjoyed that time, whether chatting to other boys, or looking over homework or just relaxing. In lower school, pretty much all activities/clubs are run during an extended lunch hour, so as not to disadvantage boys who need to get the school buses home (and so as not to overtire them!). Occasionally sports fixtures would run late but we would be warned well in advance so we could make other arrangements. So I would say if you choose KCS, the commute from Walton is very doable!
All that said, we had no ties to Weybridge so towards the end of DS’s first year at KCS, we moved to Wimbledon! There’s no doubt that it’s made things easier, but if we hadn’t been able to do that, I feel sure we would have managed quite happily as before.
They are, as others have already said, both excellent schools, and you are in the same sort of geographical position that we were. So unless you are considering moving house, your decision will come down largely to how you or your DS “feel” about the school. You can’t realky make a bad decision here, which is a lovely position to be in! Well done to your DS and good luck with whichever you choose!

alwaysinjured · 19/02/2019 21:51

Just to say that I live in Walton and my DS goes to KCS. He takes the bus from Esher every day and if I need to pick him up from school it's literally 25mins door to door. I spend more time trying to get from Walton to Weybridge in the morning taking my DD to school. KCS is a fabulous school and my son absolutely loves it. He doesn't feel he's missing out by not living in Wimbledon as he gets invited over there a lot. He has loads of friends here locally due to cricket, rugby etc so he is never lonely. He would never for one second consider a different school - he wakes up every day looking forward to school.
Of course you must choose the right school for your DS, but I just wanted to say don't let the prospect of the commute put you off. I have been doing it for nearly 5 years.

SusieQKew1 · 19/02/2019 22:10

Thank you so much for all of your responses - it’s bedn invaluable - esp alwaysinjured as I really needed to hear something meaningful from someone that lives in Walton and does the commute. Thank you to everyone though!

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SusieQKew1 · 23/02/2019 18:12

We are going to see both schools this week so hopefully it’ll become clearer which school suits DS the most! 🤞🏽

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alwaysinjured · 08/03/2019 11:57

Have you made up your mind yet? What did you decide?