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GCSEs 2021 - choosing options **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

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brizzledrizzle · 10/12/2018 13:23

Year 9s will be choosing their GCSEs after xmas, including my youngest. I couldn't find a support thread.

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brizzledrizzle · 20/01/2019 10:09

I'm sure some children do genuinely want to do medicine, it just made me smile that the list of jobs that parents reel off never includes shop assistant or refuse collector. MrsElijah I'm sure your DD really does want to do medicine.

Engineering is a route being considered here. They don't have to do the Ebacc so things are more open.

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Trampire · 20/01/2019 10:29

I think we're lucky in our family as my dcs have very wide career roles models...

Both my abs dh are creatives - Art and Animation
My DF was in the RAF
My DM started her own business
My Dsis is a teacher
My DNeices are Engineers and Civil servants.

I really hope dd finds her own path and perhaps does something completely different again.

SusanWalker · 20/01/2019 11:54

Dd wants to be a medical researcher specialising in dementia. I have no idea where that came from but she has always loved science.

I am trying to steer her away from art as she really wants to do drama and I think that will generate enough after school activity. And I do think art is easier to keep on as a hobby. I did ask if they had an art club she could go to but they don't which is a shame.

TeenTimesTwo my son is doing PE vcert rather than GCSE as it's more coursework based. I think there are some alternative qualifications still but it's whether your school will offer them.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/01/2019 12:11

Susan I don't think (but might be wrong) that the school is offering much in the way of non-GCSEs these days.
It does offer construction and beauty but that is for the very least able. (DD wouldn't get anywhere with PE anyway as she has DCD, motor skills bottom 1%, struggles with stairs still!)
I'll find out this week. Just need to get a big science test out of the way first.

SusanWalker · 20/01/2019 12:42

DS has dyspraxia and ASD but he struggles more with fine motor and plays rugby rather than football as you don't need the coordination in the feet!

Does she like food tech? My.nieces did/are doing that and I think.it is still part coursework. I do think there ought to be more coursework based courses but then I didn't agree with them getting rid of it in the first place.

I know DS struggled to find four options he liked and ended up choosing art despite his fine motor problems. He's now dropped art and is only doing eight but he has a lot of difficulties with school and his anxiety/depression means he misses a lot of school. I had to argue with them to let him drop it for quite some time.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/01/2019 13:17

Food tech is an intention. She enjoys it and is OK-ish on learning science so hopefully will be OK with the theory. Speed of fine motor skills is an issue though, one thing I need to ask is whether she gets extra time for practicals, as she already gets extra time for written stuff.

AlexaShutUp · 20/01/2019 13:25

Have just found this thread. DD is also in year 9 and will have to make her subject choices in February. We have options evening coming up very soon.

DD has six core subjects and four choices. She seems pretty firm on three but is struggling on the last option as there are too many things that she wants to do. It's so hard to advise them, isn't it?!

She does have some career ideas but definitely doesn't know what she wants to do yet. 13 is still very young to be making those decisions, so our priority right now is to keep her options as open as possible for the time being.

Rads2005 · 20/01/2019 17:03

Hi My DD has to drop one out of history, Geog, Computer Science , Art and Mandarin. She loves them all equally. Also doesnt know what to do in the future.? If we want to keep as many options open, what could she drop that would keep as many career choices open. ? thks

TeenTimesTwo · 20/01/2019 18:54

You don't generally need Computer science GCSE to do it at A level. I think you can also often do History A level without the GCSE, not sure about Geog - definitely check with your school on all those 3.

Art can be a massive time eater, so unless aiming for architect / design / arty career on the cards that could go (unless wanting it as a distraction).

Mandarin is a bit different, a bit of a talking point maybe?

Check which you can still do A levels in without the GCSE. I suspect it makes not a lot of difference.

RolyRocks · 20/01/2019 20:39

You don't generally need Computer science GCSE to do it at A level.

That’s changing. Grin This was the case when not many schools taught it at GCSE but now 80,000 odd centres do. Very difficult to do the new Linear A Level without the GCSE in Computer Science as a background. Every Sixth Form And Sixth Form college in my borough expects you to have done the GCSE before A Level now, so best to check what the requirements are, first, in your area. We’ve had to say no to students in the past two years, for example, at A Level, who have not done the Computer Science GCSE and only done a Cambridge Tech in ICT or similar.
However, for a lot of universities, just Maths A Level is fine for Computer Science at the moment. I would say that, more and more RG universities are offering a grade lower for a Comp Sci A Level, so even that may change in the future.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/01/2019 21:44

Roly Thank you. Are all schools expected to offer Comp Sci GCSE these days then?

SoupOnMyTableNowSir · 21/01/2019 14:05

Ds2 is choosing shortly, he is in year 8. They reduce down to their option choices for year 9 but in terms of actual GCSE content this starts at the end of year 9. But I am glad that they can sack off some subjects that they don't want in year 8.

He is hoping to do statistics but it depends how many children will opt for it. Ds1 does it now and there are 17 children in the class in year 11. He has told his teacher to promote it to his brother's maths class as they are a maths strong cohort.

My son has a booklet with no information at all on the courses but a list and a tickbox of definitely considering, maybe and definitely no and has to put a tick for each subject. He also has an interview with SMT to discuss his thoughts.

Luckily we still have a downloaded options booklet from when Ds1 did it so it gives Ds2 an idea of course content. He was weighing up history or geography but considering he is always around when Ds1 is talking/watching/being tested on history this seems to have swayed him over to history.

MirandaWest · 21/01/2019 14:40

DD is in year 8 and will be choosing her options in Feb/March. Have an options evening tonight and then parents evening next week. DS is in year 10 and think it will probably be pretty similar.

They have to do English language and literature, maths, RE and Science (top few sets do triple award and others do dual award). Have to do PE but not to GCSE unless you choose it.
Then 4 option choices. They first select the 4 they want and then the subjects are put into groups and you have to choose one from each group.
DD wants to do history, drama, Spanish and geography which I’m fine with

Bimkom · 21/01/2019 15:26

DD is in year 8 and we have just had the parents GCSE options evening (where they lecture us about what the options are, without our DC), and then they tell the DC in assembly. We are then supposed to put in our options by Feb half term so they can generate the pools.
If you want to swap after that, that is fine so long as it works with the pools (they try and engineer the pools so everybody can do what they initially pick).
Problem is, DD does not really want to do any of the options. She is quite able, but does not like school. Current ambition is to be a wildlife photographer, and is very upset that the school does not offer GCSE photography, which is the one thing she really wants to do.
She switched to being a wildlife photographer on being told that her previous ambition, to be a naturalist, they recommended chemistry and maths! (before that, it was a zoologist - but then she discovered that zoologists study specific animals, and naturalists study animals more generally).
She does acknowledge that she really wants to study Geography, and do it for A Level, except that she dislikes the two Geography teachers who take the GCSE geography (particularly the one she has this year). She has always said history is boring, and refused to engage with it, no matter how hard we have tried, but is now saying that the only nice teachers in the school are in history, so maybe she should do that. I think that is a dreadful reason to do the subject, and given her interests (and what she researches out of school, i.e. anything to do with animals), she really ought to be doing geography. I said maybe take geography and history, but she rejected that out of hand.
She supposes she will do French (and then perked up, and said - they speak French in Canada, don't they - she currently wants to do her wildlife photography/naturalist studies in Canada amidst the polar bears, seals etc - the oral talks she has had to give over the years have generally been on polar animals, about which she knows an inordinate amount).
But they have to make another choice (RE is compulsory, as is maths, English language, English literature and at least double science, and if you are in set 1 science, which she is, you can do triple science, which she wants to do, as she wants to do biology on its own).
There is nothing else she wants to do. Drama is not being offered this year, and watching her brother has put her off art (she is quite artistic, but she has seen what a toll art GCSE puts).
She has toyed with Food tech, but the teacher has recently changed and she dislikes the current Food tech teacher.
And so we are stuck!

TeenTimesTwo · 21/01/2019 15:34

Bimkom Has she spoken to the Art department to see how much photography she can shoehorn in to the Art GCSE?

SusanWalker · 21/01/2019 16:32

Bimkom what about PE if she likes biology? There's a lot of anatomy and human biology in that. I know it's not animal anatomy but if she likes biology she might find it interesting.

Bimkom · 21/01/2019 17:21

SusanWalker - she did raise PE, but the problem is that she has aspects that are not very co-ordinated (took her a long time to learn to skip, for example, and she struggles to hit a table tennis ball or throw any kind of ball with any degree of accuracy). It is odd, because she can climb almost anything, and got a silver medal in the high jump at sports day last year (Year 7, first time she had been introduced to high jump), even though she is really quite small by comparison with her peers (I think it is the fact that she is fearless when it comes to heights). She got into the final in the long jump as well. But we have had issues with PE over the years because of her height and slowness (her reflexes are not fast, so she always ends up starting to run after everybody else, so always last in the races). She tended to be one of the last picked when picking teams, and has spent many PE lessons terrified that she would let the side down, and that is without eliminating those who are naturally poor at it. So I am rather reluctant, and when I reminded her of this, she agreed.

Bimkom · 21/01/2019 17:24

TeenTimesTwo - the Art department are doing the Fine Art track, not the photography track. When she started at the school (in fact when we came for the open day), they had a photography elective within Art, but it has now gone, and is apparently not available! As the head of year says - it is all about money, they have had to reduce their offering to the bare bones because the finances are so limited, and the government keeps cutting. That is why, I think, Drama has gone from the choices, it has been there every year up until now. Not that I think she really would have wanted to do Drama. Acting and Drama is her brother's thing, but it is not even an option this year.

carrie74 · 21/01/2019 17:36

My Y9DD is currently choosing too. We had a great parents evening last week, she should be really proud of her work, but she's finding it difficult to choose her last 2 choices.

She has to do 2 English and Maths, 1 modern language (she's choosing Spanish and dropping French), at least 2 sciences (she wants to do Chemistry and Physics, but drop Biology. I'm a bit nervous of her dropping a science, although I did the same and it's made absolutely no difference to my life at all), then she will do Latin, then 2 from either History, Geography, Computer Science or Biology. I've suggested maybe one "soft" subject as a bit of a creative outlet, but she doesn't seem interested. In fact she seems quite irritated that she can only take 9 subjects (I took 10 and her cousin took 12. 12!! But DH only took 8). 9 subjects is fine though, right?

steppemum · 21/01/2019 17:39

Hi dd1 is in year 9 and has to choose options by 1st week in Feb.

I would like her to do Ebacc, she doesn't wnat to. So my question is does it matter?

She is high achieving grammar school, heading for engineering at the moment, but that may change.
She wants to do - 3 sciences, drama and computer science.
That uses 3 options.
We want her to do a language and a humanity (German and Geography by her preference)

That woudl be 5 options in total and she only has 4.
We won;t budge on the language, so it would mean she does computer science instead of Geography.

It just feels really young to lose all humanities out of the curriculum, they feel like the general knowledge subjects, and then of course Ebacc.

How much do you think Ebac matters?

steppemum · 21/01/2019 17:41

carrie - my understanding of the sciences is that you don't drop one scince subject, but you do 3 sciences either to a lower level, and end up with 2 GCSEs in science, or to a higher level and end up with 3 GCSEs in science?

carrie74 · 21/01/2019 18:02

Thanks Steppemum, at DDs school they still do the sciences separately, not double/triple. They have to choose any 2 and the 3rd becomes an option.

Re: Ebacc, I don't know. I like the idea of a wide base of options at GCSE, which EBacc promotes, but I've also seen it described as a tool for school league tables 🤷‍♀️

ono40 · 21/01/2019 20:28

DS2 needs to choose by half term and the options evening is next week. He doesn't have much choice as it he has to do English, Maths, language and Triple Science. He is definite about choosing Drama but is torn between Music, Geography, History and Computer Science (can only choose two of those).

DS1 did History but now they have three exams! My friend is a history teacher and she has put us off a bit by saying how much content there is now. DS1 didn't do Geography so I have no idea what's involved. He is musical but lazy about reading music and only at grade 4 clarinet so I am not sure about that either. Computer Science - is that a lot of programming and stuff?

DS1 also did Art, getting A star but he is a perfectionist. My nerves are still shredded by the traumatic memories of work pored over and redone, the fear of 'white space' on a page etc so I am very glad DS2 has decided not to do it.

TeenTimesTwo · 21/01/2019 20:39

carrie - is your school independent? I seem to recollect that for government tables they'll only count triple for progress 8 science if all 3 are sat, or something, so state schools wouldn't make the same offer (I may be completely wrong though).

brizzledrizzle · 21/01/2019 21:07

How much do you think Ebac matters?

Not at all. It's a performance measure, nothing more, nothing less according to the head of my DCs school who told all the parents at the options evening that pupils should not do the ebacc if they don't have an aptitude for a subject or dislike it as what matters more is that they choose subjects they are comfortable with and suit their aspirations.

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