Which sats are used to measure secondary progress

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Please can you confirm which KS2 sats papers are used to form the basis by the government for measuring the amount of progress the secondary school has added from KS2. I know does not include the written course work. Is it the maths, reading and spag papers and if so what is the weighting? We have situation where secondary schools create a flightpath based on average of KS2 SATS regardless if very different at maths to English. Thanks.

Just maths and reading.

Oh, and it’s the average of both that’s generally used to set targets regardless of how that doesn’t make sense for English and maths.

What noble said. There's no weighting. However, some schools will set paths for English from English, maths from maths. But not many, because the DfE are measuring only from the average of KS2.

Thanks so just to clarify the spelling and grammar papers are not included in government targets. The 3 maths papers give 50% of the weighting and the one reading paper gives the other 50%? Therefore if you got 100 on reading and 120 on 3 maths maths combined your score would be 110 so the secondary school would be measured on progress in all GCSEs from an average score of 110. ??

They're not included at the moment... who knows what DfE will decide to do after the first cohort have sat GCSE! I'm not holding my breath that they won't alter what they look at.

This is the sort of thing the DfE do with old KS2 scores to calculate progress 8. We don’t actually know how they’ll use the new scaled scores because they won’t be needed to calculate progress 8 till 2021 when current Y9 sit GCSE. The DfE will bodge something together before then.

This concurs with my dd who did really well in her spag, but has targets that seem to be the average of reading and maths. My fear is how it will work for my next dd who has ASD. She is super good at maths (top 7% by ed psych testing) but very average at literacy. She is on the cusp of a clinically significant learning difference, but not actually there. The way ASD is for her, she will probably struggle as reading etc gets more sophisticated- how would thisacvomodate for those differences?

You have to remember this is just a blunt tool to guage schools' performance- it's

V sorry! I am unwell, and couldn't finish my post! What I was trying to say was that your child's progress isn't something that can be predicted using a straight line model, like the DfE will.use. My DD also has asd, and whilst she loves school and works to the best of her ability at all times, there are still things she will never grasp- inference from texts is almost impossible, as is understanding characters' motivations if they aren't utterly direct and simple. She may have targets set by school, but we as her parents aren't going to judge her outcomes at GCSE if they don't meet up to some spurious figure, calculated using children's performance on one day. We will judge how our DD has progressed based on what she knows, the skills she's learnt, whether she's managed to survive five years of secondary school and sit GCSE. Etc. Children are all individuals.Yes, Prog8 will give a rough indicator of the teaching in a school, but all sorts other things are at play, not least of which is pupils having tuition outside of school. Etc.

The DfE doesn’t use a straight line model, and the DfE don’t set targets, they merely measure comparative performance after the fact. Flightpaths are fabricated by schools (and are an abomination) and computer generated targets are set by private companies.