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A-Level Economics - any views?

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grumiosmum · 06/09/2018 17:42

DS was supposed to do Maths A level, but didn't do well in his Further Maths GCSE. So he's thinking of doing Economics instead.

Anyone got any views on it? Other subjects are History, English & German AS.

I did an Economics degree a gazillion years ago & thought it was quite boring, but hoping the A-level syllabus is better?

DS is bright but lazy.

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titchy · 06/09/2018 20:19

Does he (and you?) realise to get an A in Economics means he'll have to work very hard? It sounds as if you're both thinking it's the easier option....

I'm guessing this is a very selective school? A state school would be falling over themselves to persuade him to do A level Maths because he'd be so likely to get an A!

Aceinthehole · 06/09/2018 20:20

I'm entirely confused as to why the school feels he's so far from being able to cope with Maths A Level when he achieved an A* (scrape or not) I'm assuming you mean he got an 8? There is only one possible higher grade and the margins between grades are much smaller the higher you go. Are they saying they will only consider those who got a 9 for A Level? Seems fairly restrictive.

More importantly, does he WANT to do Maths A Level?

ferrier · 06/09/2018 20:22

There is no point doing Economics without Maths A level. He will struggle with the course and won’t be able to do it at a decent university without Maths.

First point definitely not true. My ds did Economics and not Maths and got an A.
Second point, there are some good universities that don't require maths. Admittedly fewer than that do but they are there.

Blondiecub0109 · 06/09/2018 20:23

Admittedly 15 years ago now, but I read polictics with economics at an RG uni without maths a level. I’m also now an accountant. When I applied the only uni which stipulated maths for economics (joint honors) was LSE. Oxford didn’t require it for PPE (although I was rejected at interview so Wink)

Thesearepearls · 06/09/2018 20:23

With maths (and also with physics and chemistry tbh) there's a big leap between GCSE and A level

If the school thinks that the OP's DS is not going to get an A at Maths A level that's a pretty good indicator

What is going to matter to the OP's DS is what grades he gets at A level. Nothing more nothing less. So go for the subjects where your DS has an affinity in which he is interested and get the best A level grades possible to get into a good university.

grumiosmum · 06/09/2018 20:25

Ace, he did Maths a year early (the top set at his school all do) when it was still the old-style grades.

The schools results in Maths A-level range from A to D. They aren't restrictive about who does it. But DS should be aiming for As/As in all his subjects.

Yes, he'll have to work hard at everything - but he's better at essay-type subjects where you have to make an argument. So that's why I think he may be better suited at Economics than Maths.

However, he has just said he'd prefer to do Maths anyway - so I've suggested he speaks to his teachers about it directly tomorrow.

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grumiosmum · 06/09/2018 20:26

Thanks everyone for all your opinions, they've been really helpful.

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grumiosmum · 06/09/2018 20:28

Blondiecub I was rejected for PPE at Oxford on interview too - and I had 2 Maths A-Levels! Also went on to read politics & economics at a RG uni...

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ferrier · 06/09/2018 20:29

My ds also got an A* at GCSE but was recommended not to continue at A Level after struggling in the first couple of weeks (which were designed deliberately to weed out those that sound struggle). They made absolutely the right recommendation and he made absolutely the right choice.

ferrier · 06/09/2018 20:30

*would not sound

Thesearepearls · 06/09/2018 20:32

I'm guessing OP that you are hoping for your DS to apply to really aspirational universities :)

Go for it! As I say my DS wouldn't have got an A/A* in an essaywriting subject if he'd been paid for it. What made a difference with his Cambridge entrance is that he did the subjects that he chose (and ignored me fluttering on the sidelines suggesting that he really really should do an essay-writing subject). Play to your DS's strengths.

Whatifigglepiggleandpeppadated · 06/09/2018 21:04

Few years ago now. I got a b in gcse maths. Did economics at a level and got an A. I hate maths

ChocolateWombat · 06/09/2018 21:26

Doing A Level maths isn't necessary to do A Level Economics, but for the vast majority of Economics courses at good universities, A Level maths, rather than A Level economics is the requirement. In the academic school where I work, with over 40 students doing A Level Economics, only 1 is not doing A Level maths too.

A Level maths is a facilitating subject for many degrees, whilst Economics is a highly regarded subject bit not a facilitator or necessary subject at A Level for any degree.

Unless someone knows for certain that they won't want to continue Economics at uni, studying it without Maths these days, really is something which limits options.

Regarding your son being told he can't do maths - well, perhaps his school is one which places a lot of value on the teacher judgement as well as the GCSE grade - lots of GRammars and Independents do this. They might say an A student isn't suitable for A Level maths because the maths teachers know he was a lazy pain in the backside for several years. They might know that he was never A material and the a* was a total fluke and he really will struggle at A Level. They might be a school which never throws students out, but is only willing to offer certain subjects - and those who are lower performers generally in the schools view or who have been deemed not acceptable by other departments are channellers into new subjects not studied at GCSE where the Deprtment isn't able to reject people becaue they haven't taught them already. Who knows....we don't know your son, but he might be being offered Economics instead for any of these reasons or different ones entirely. I would say though, if he has been lazy and hasn't worked hard and is still of this mind set, Economics will be very hard for him to do well in.....as will all subjects in honesty. As an essay subject and one based on current affairs much of the time, to do well you need to keep abreast of what is going on and to engage in lots of developed essay writing. Most of the marks will come from pretty lengthy, evaluative essays and lots of reading will be needed.

I would go back to the school and discuss this issue of Economics without Maths. It might be that due to his results or the schools judgement of his ability or behaviour, he has very limited choices and Economics is option still but only without maths. Fine, as long as goes into it well aware that the opportunity to continue Economics at a top uni is extremely limited.

Regardless, he needs to be aware that these limits to his range of choices are partly the result of his poor attitude to work lower down the school - he needs to see that already there are very tangible consequences of this for him, and that if he continues like this, there will be more consequences.

Of course, many places would snap him up for Maths with an A*. I guess as a parent, you know really if the school is being accurate in their judgement if his ability and behaviour, or it is over harsh and you should push hard for him to do maths or go elsewhere to study it.

Best of luck in finding an appropriate A level course of study,

Isentthesignal · 06/09/2018 21:36

I did a degree in Econmics quite a few years ago - I had done A level Maths but many had not and the University ran an extra course to help them. To be honest the only bit of A level Maths I remember needing was calculus and with Futher Maths he will have already have been introduced to the basics and school taught it so much better, imo, so the kids who had never encountered calculus really struggled with the concept. I’d love to go back now and study Behavioural Economics - I find it completely fascinating.

rainingcatsanddog · 06/09/2018 21:40

I'm another person with A levels in Maths and Economics and read Economics at university.

I remember lots of Statistics and Calculus being the mathematical part of my degree and there's no calculus in GCSE maths these days.

SwedishEdith · 06/09/2018 21:41

Depends on the universities economics courses. Manchester offers BA and BSc economics. The BA doesn't need maths.

www.manchester.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/2018/05134/baecon-economics/entry-requirements/#course-profile

Also, the OU offer PPE (I know he doesn't want to do OU, just another example). I did all the economics courses for that qualification and it was perfectly doable without A level maths.

SwedishEdith · 06/09/2018 21:44

SOAS doesn't need maths A level (just randomly googling now).

www.soas.ac.uk/economics/programmes/baeconand/

Isentthesignal · 06/09/2018 21:46

Our University also provided a Stats course - I did Maths with Mechanics for A level, there was no stats option at our school, that can’t be unusual?

ChocolateWombat · 06/09/2018 21:48

The thing is, if you have A Level maths, you can apply to all places to do Economics. Regardless of the situation a number of years ago,mod whether the maths in an Economics degree is manageable without A Level maths, the A Level in maths IS an entry requirement for the vast majority of Economics degrees at good universities....not having it would limit his choices. That doesn't mean there will be nowhere he can go to do Economics, but lots of doors will be closed. Schools and colleges tend to make this very clear to people making their choices these days, even if they didn't in the past. I have looked at the websites of all our local schools and colleges and in all of their A Level Options booklets, they make clear that Maths A Level is required at most universities for degree level Economics - every single school or college points this out - it is for a good reason, to ensure doors are kept open.

mummyeme · 06/09/2018 21:51

I loved economics a level and am not the strongest at maths. I became more keen on maths through it, as it began to have an interesting purpose. I'd say definitely do it and having economics helps later as it's viewed as being mathematical.

SwedishEdith · 06/09/2018 21:51

Oh, of course, it'll keep more options open. But if he hates it/doesn't want to do, not all doors close either.

Leeds, Reading and Sheffield don't demand it either, so far.

Thesearepearls · 06/09/2018 21:59

Hey you lot

The OP's DS is not wanting to apply to university to read economics. There's a possibility of PPE but maybe that's not serious. The main thing is that the OP's DS wants to read history

And AFAIK no-one ever needed a maths A level to read history

SwedishEdith · 06/09/2018 22:02

True.

Thesearepearls · 06/09/2018 22:09

My own DS was okay at Maths. British Maths Challenge. Maths Olympiads, these are the things that mathsy kids do. They get A at GCSE and they get A at maths A level (early usually if properly mathsy kids)

The only question at maths A level is how good their A is. That is a question that Cambridge asked. To get an A at maths A level you need to get over 80%. To get interviewed for Cambridge you need to get over 95% at maths A level. The interviews being for maths, natural sciences or economics.

This is not a gifted child at maths. The facts speak for themselves. This may very well be a gifted child at history. Do the history. Ditch the maths.

Isentthesignal · 06/09/2018 22:10

But even if he did have a change of heart - there are still options.