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Highbury Fields - Islington

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astoundedgoat · 24/01/2018 13:12

My two dd's are blissfully happy in local primary schools here in Islington, and I now want to learn more about the state secondary schools within striking distance.

Highbury Grove doesn't fill me with confidence, but I would love to know more about Highbury Fields - dd1 is a very gentle, slightly vague but academically able child. Moderately sporty (individual rather than team sport). Dd2 is a robust and social little thing and will find a niche anywhere.

We rent, which means we can easily move to be nearer a better school (Mossbourne?) but I love this part of Islington/Canonbury and would like to stay nearish if poss, as well as giving Dd1 the possibility of keeping some of her friends.

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AgonyBeetle · 25/01/2018 08:06

I know someone with a dd similar to what you describe who chose HF despite being in catchment for both Parliament Hill and Camden girls. I was a bit baffled by her decision at the time, but they’re very pleased with it.

HF has never had a bad reputation, but has always been overshadowed by more showy and self-publicising options locally. I wouldn’t move for mossbourne ( I wouldn’t put my dog through mossbourne, personally, but that’s another story). In your position I’d consider HF a good bet, so go and look and see what you think. Check out EGA as well, they’ve been trying hard to attract a wider intake, and I hear off the grapevine that the Islington middle classes may finally be listening. There’s also St Mary Mags, but I hear mixed reports about that too.

My personal experience (we’re in a slightly different area) would incline me to favour schools that are not the currently fashionable ones that think they are God’s gift to humanity, on the basis that less high-profile ones are more likely to listen to individuals, both pupils and parents, rather than focusing on their own self-image.

astoundedgoat · 25/01/2018 08:46

Thank you @AgonyBeetle - that's really helpful and thoughtful.

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smee · 25/01/2018 11:17

Mossbourne entry is via a lottery system, so even if you moved right next to it, you wouldn't be guaranteed a place. What Agony says, sounds wise to me.

astoundedgoat · 25/01/2018 12:03

I'm curious now - which are the schools that think they're god's gift? I'm new to the area, and don't know anybody with secondary aged children yet, so it's a bit of a closed book to me!

Originally we were keen on private (to the exclusion of all else), but the primaries around here have been so great that I'm starting to consider all options with a more open mind. Although dd1 is very bright, I'm not enthusiastic about putting her through the pressure/grind of tutoring and entrance exams either for private or grammar at such a young age, esp. given her personality.

I'm happy to supplement her education with whatever she needs to ensure success as it arises throughout secondary, and I most certainly want significant academic success for her but if this can be achieved at an excellent local non-selective that instils confidence and ambition in its students, then I want to explore that. I'm also keen on single sex education, which goes in favour of Highbury Fields, of course.

(I'm leaving DD2 out of my considerations just now because she's only 6 and she's much more self-assured than dd1 anyway.)

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LarkDescending · 25/01/2018 12:36

Highbury Grove went through a stage of thinking it was God’s gift under previous leadership, but then came Ofsted in December 2016 and you probably know what happened next.

It’s now under the City of London Academies umbrella - early days, but COLAI has been making good progress in recent years so that may augur well for HG.

AgonyBeetle · 25/01/2018 13:23

My school-hunting days are over, since my youngest is now in Y9, so my info may be out of date. But Mossbourne certainly used to think it was the answer to everybody's prayers, and there are a number of other popular schools that give off that vibe - Alice Owens and Latymer always had that feel to me. But any school that is incredibly over-subscribed or suddenly becomes fashionable and sought-after can go down that route, and not for the better. Pro tip - when you get to the stage of looking at schools, phone them up at some random point and ask a mildly dozy question about open days or admissions procedures, and see what kind of response you get. There are a number of popular schools, state and private, where the admin staff emit a strong sense of, 'Oh god, not another stupid parent wasting my valuable time'. And there are other, equally over-subscribed, schools that fall over themselves to be kind and helpful to clueless prospective parents. Yes, obviously the people answering the phones are receptionists not teachers, but IME that gives you a small insight into the attitude of the school as a whole, and the kind of reception you can expect a few years down the line when your stroppy 14yo is being pointless and annoying and you want the school's co-operation in dealing with it.

The thing I like about HF is that they've serenely kept on doing what they do, apparently impervious to the various schools fads that have come and gone - they've still got the 1980s style polo shirt and sweatshirt uniform, they've resisted the pressure to adopt fancy ties and blazers, or various kinds of academisation or covert selection. And this is despite the fact that they must have come under significant competition from the huge changes in other parts of the local education scene, like the start-up of SMM, the various Hackney academies or Highbury Grove's stellar rise and ignominious fall etc. They've just kept doing what they do, being a successful local comprehensive for a very mixed intake. That would suggest to me that they have a strong sense of where they're going and aren't at risk of the kind of gimmicky fashion disasters that other schools have fallen victim to.

So I'd go and have a look, no harm starting in Y5 or earlier, and if you like what you see then you're probably onto a good thing. Go and look at other schools as well, even if you aren't seriously considering them, since the differences between them are quite revealing - sometimes you have to see something you don't like in order to realise what you do want, iyswim. If you're concerned about the academic level, then have a look at the top end of the results and see what they're doing for their high-achievers - if they have a reasonable number of girls at the top end coming out with a healthy string of As and A, then there's no reason why they can't do the same for your dd, plus your dd is likely to find a good cohort of like-minded souls to hang out with. The overall headline results like 5 A-C are less significant, since that mainly reflects the intake as a whole rather than giving you a steer on what they achieve for girls of your dd's profile.

I've said this on here before, with varying responses, but it may bear repeating: I've seen my own four dc and their various cohorts of primary school friends go through the full range of schools, from local sink schools to super-selective state and private. And without exception, regardless of the type of school selected, all the dc have come out with pretty much the grades that you would have predicted for them at the age of 9, based on their abilities and personalities. I know of dc who went to very rough comps that have gone the straight A* and Oxbridge route, and kids from super-selective schools who have come out with extremely mediocre grades (and a slightly battered sense of self-worth as well). So if you can find a local school where you think your dd will be happy, and that has a good track record of getting dc of her ability the grades you would hope she is capable of, then you can't really do fairer than that.

astoundedgoat · 26/01/2018 08:22

@AgonyBeetle That's really interesting what you said about calling them up with a dozy question, because that is what made me so keen on the two primary schools the dd's are at now - the administrative staff are SO GOOD. On the phone and in person, even when they had no places yet, they were really positive, helpful and welcoming.

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Vinorosso74 · 29/01/2018 08:48

Pleased I stumbled across this thread. DD has a bit longer at primary but we are starting to think about secondary options.
I'm glad others think it's a good choice as it seems DD would likely get a place there but I don't know of any girls who went on there to get thoughts from parents.

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