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DD - difficult A'level choice - please help

94 replies

Candog · 09/01/2018 10:11

She wants to do music, history and French.
Has chosen these because she likes them.

I worry that this doesn't look great from a degree/employment perspective. She is interested in politics. I'd like her to leave open the option of economics (prob with politics), for which I am reliably told that she should take maths A'level, which the school says she is capable of. I gather that an economics degree makes you quite employable.
Maybe drop the French? Music is important to her.
School won't let her do French, history or maths to AS level only. She could do music at AS level I think, but insists on doing the full A level.
Any suggestions helpful - worried she will make herself close to unemployable if she ends up doing a music or history or straight politics degree. I suspect that taking 4 full A'level would lead to poor grades. She's not an "excessive worker".

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Neolara · 09/01/2018 10:12

I think she should do what she is interested in. Is she even interested in economics? Or maths?

Completely pointless being employable in an area that bores you stupid.

Candog · 09/01/2018 10:14

She hasn't done any economics yet, but I think it is the kind of thing that is likely to interest her.
Would hate to see getting into huge debt with little chance of a reasonable job. We have no money as a family to help to finance her.

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motherfiver · 09/01/2018 10:14

Personally I think she needs to do what she enjoys, she will get better grades and be happier that way.
If she does subjects she doesn't want to do she will have little motivation and will underachieve.

Bobbiepin · 09/01/2018 10:15

Maths A level is so difficult and intensely work heavy that she will not succeed if she's not into it. History is a great choice and will help if she chooses a politics degree. Languages are also very good if she does well in it. I think if she's happy and willing to work hard for her choices she should be fine.

Battleax · 09/01/2018 10:18

History is a very solid, rigorous subject. Any MFL is extremely useful. Nothing wrong with Music, either. What do you think will scare employers?

I think you need to back off a bit, to be frank.

OuchBollocks · 09/01/2018 10:22

Maths A level is hard and a student pressured into it unwillingly is unlikely to do well imo.

Battleax · 09/01/2018 10:22

mployable if she ends up doing a music or history or straight politics degree

Now there you're just plain mistaken. History graduates are extreme employable. Ditto politics. Both good solid essay writing subjects requiring developed analytical skills.

Music graduates obviously have a whole host of extra opportunities open to them.

You're also making the mistake of thinking her degree subject has to be one of her A level subjects.

Honestly, there's no problem here OP.

Battleax · 09/01/2018 10:23

Extremely^

Thetreesareallgone · 09/01/2018 10:24

History or Politics are standard degree choices, and they lead into standard careers- you can go into things like consultancy, HR, marketing, social research skills (e.g. like working in polling companies, political organizations, third sector organizations) and any graduate scheme as they are not usually fussy about the actual degree, but rather the classification (usually 2:1 upwards) and where it is done (e.g. decent uni good for that subject). Plus work experience.

Maths does give different choices, but unless you really love maths then you are going to struggle with Maths A level- and doing an economics or accountancy degree is daft when you love Music and History.

People often think if you do a degree like Law or Maths you will automatically get a job in a related sectors- this is not true, further study is usually required and if you hate it, it will be like a form of torture.

NerrSnerr · 09/01/2018 10:24

Maths will be an extremely difficult a level if you don’t want to do it. She should do the subjects she enjoys.

Thetreesareallgone · 09/01/2018 10:25

russellgroup.ac.uk/for-students/school-and-college-in-the-uk/subject-choices-at-school-and-college/

French and History are facilitating subjects (i.e. considered excellent core subjects by good unis) and they recommend you have two of them...so she'd be fine on this criteria.

AlexanderHamilton · 09/01/2018 10:26

I think that sounds like a great A level combination.

catwoozle · 09/01/2018 10:30

Let her do what she wants. Three As in those subjects will look better than low grades and unhappiness.

An economics degree may get her a job, but the wrong degree can lead to the wrong job which can lead to decades of unhappiness and feeling trapped by the wrong career.

Intercom · 09/01/2018 10:41

Music, History and French is a good combination. She could one day work as a translator or editor for a publisher, as a librarian or administrator for a touring orchestra, as an archivist for a TV/film company or museum, marketing for a music venue, teaching French to student singers, etc.

marypopping · 09/01/2018 10:43

As the mum of a 6th former I can only say that they should choose what they enjoy. A levels are a huge (HUGE!) step up, and if they aren't studying what they are 'into' they will not do well. They spend hours on each subject, with no room to breath, if it is a subject she's not passionate about she will be miserable.

PilarTernera · 09/01/2018 10:43

At this stage, you have to let her make her own choices. It's her life. Don't pressurise her into doing subjects she is not keen on.

Those are excellent subject choices from a degree/employment perspective. History and French are both well-regarded academic subjects. They will give her plenty of options for degree subjects and beyond.

She is obviously a talented musician, music is important to her and she insists on doing the full A level. That is fantastic! Most people do not have that level of ability. If she were my child, I would be encouraging her.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 09/01/2018 10:51

I think you need to take a step back OP and let her make her own choices.

It's her life.

Or are you going to pressure her to do a degree in something she's not interested in, too?

BeyondThePage · 09/01/2018 10:51

DD is doing music, art and English lit - we had no choice in the matter - she has chosen what she wants to do - she wants to teach English or music abroad, she has decided this will get her there.

If we had decided for her on the basis of her GCSE grades, or future earnings, it would have been Geography, Maths and Biology - and she would have chucked it all in and left home by now.

titchy · 09/01/2018 10:54

Sensible girl. Clearly knows better than her mother. Butt out.

Oblomov18 · 09/01/2018 10:57

Sound fine to me. Don't make her do maths, if she's not TOTALLY into it. I found it very hard.

GeorgeTheHamster · 09/01/2018 10:59

You have to let her choose. At the risk of stating the obvious, she is going to spend a third of her week on each subject. Compared to GCSE, that's a lot of each subject.

Don't try to make her do something she doesn't want to do - not when she has made sensible, solid choices, anyway obviously dissuade her from dumb stuff but that's not what she's picked.

Candog · 09/01/2018 11:06

Thank you all for this.
She does like maths, and is doing further maths at GCSE. However, does not feel that she is a natural / loves maths.
We have a relative who has recently studied PPE and has strongly advised that my DD take maths at A'level, as just so useful. She has also said that having done economics at uni, not just politics, made it hugely easier for her to get a good job - opened up a lot of extra opportunities for her.
DD is hoping to go to Cambridge, based on the music opportunities there, as loves music performance. But not yet sure about what degree. Also, realistically, may not make Cambridge academically.

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Intercom · 09/01/2018 11:18

Does your DD sing? She could apply for a choral scholarship at Cambridge.

harrietm87 · 09/01/2018 11:23

I did Music, History, French and English. English degree at Cambridge, where I spent most of my time on all the amazing extra curricular music opportunities available (instrumental scholar). I'm now a solicitor in a city firm. Those subjects will not hold her back at all, but could be useful to do a slightly contrasting 4th AS (I did biology) - she could do economics? Or maths? Or a science?

Ariela · 09/01/2018 11:28

I would agree with others: she should do the subjects that interest her, that way she will do best and get the best grades.
I always regret not being allowed to do Geography (which I adored and had a fantastic teacher).