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Do I ask the school about this trip?

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bigmouthstrikesagain · 18/12/2017 13:16

I have a highly anxious 13 yo ds with Aspergers. he is in yr9 and this means he started a new school in September as in this area we have a three tier system (primary/ middle/ high school).

He is also a very able pupil (this is relevant), in his last school he won the History prize and was part of a History club which led to him making and presenting to a group of parents/ teachers and pupils a project on The Red Baron (first world war German pilot). So he is able and has a particular interest in First World War and military history.

He rarely goes on school trips as he struggles with changes to his routine, noise, large groups and chaos all of which figure in class trips in general. So he has missed out on many trips but he did manage to go on a couple of small group history trips in the last two years which were very beneficial - to his learning, confidence and resilience.

This new school has a large year group so trips are generally selective and he has only expressed an interest in one proposed trip (you have to register interest) this is to Belgium to visit first world war battle sites (just a day trip and a small group) next February. Ds actually said he wanted to go, you had to complete a form expressing an interest then you would be informed by half term as places were allocated on basis of effort grades from half term report and teachers input/ feedback.

Ds got an excellent half term report Outstanding and very good across the board and he was singled out for a congratulatory postcard and a handshake from the Head teacher. He is exhausted now and on edge from constant assessments which ds places far to much importance on and pushes himself to get top marks in everything ( we do not pressurise ds quite the opposite!!).

We realised that ds did not get a place on the history trip - which seems really strange as he could not have worked any harder - ds is stressing about the trip - he is feeling pretty unhappy about it and down on himself - for not trying hard enough. He also thinks he may have questioned his history teacher too much - he has no real understanding of hierarchy so if he notices a teacher has made a factual error he will not hesitate to point it - he cannot help himself! Does it to me all the time.

Anyway - it seems really odd that a student with very good effort grades, an interest and aptitude for history, and a demonstrable interest in the First World War - would not be chosen for a history trip to WWI sites?! This smacks of either a fuck up by ds - he handed the slip in late or not at all or lost it - he denies this but his memory for admin tasks is abysmal. Or an oversight by the school, or that ds is being excluded for some other reason - that we are not aware of and perhaps related to his ASD.

If it is the latter there is an issue we need to address as it is affecting how ds is feeling about school - for him school is not about friends (he claims to have none) it is all about learning so being recognised for his effort and getting good marks is very important. His new school are still getting to know ds and so we do not know what the reason they have for not giving him a place is.

I do not know what to do - whether to ask the school outright and potentially embarrass ds or rock the boat - I may find it difficult to word an email that doesn't sound like "what the fuck! How dare you exclude my pfb!!" - I need to be asking not demanding and I do genuinely want to be able to reassure ds that he has done nothing wrong. But if the school have concerns about ds behaviour on a school trip - we should know? If DS has not communicated his interest in History to the right teacher that is one thing - if he is a 'problem' that is another. It is also very likely too late to do anything about the trip - unless a pupil drops out. But hopefully there will be other trips and I want ds to have the confidence to put his name forward - obviously he is not going to get a place on every trip he applies for.

Very confused need opinions - please. Thank you.

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LornaMumsnet · 18/12/2017 13:20

Hi OP,

Sorry to wade in! We spotted a RL name thanks to a user and so we've edited this to 'DS'. We do hope this is okay and if there's anything we can do, give us a shout.

Flowers
noblegiraffe · 18/12/2017 13:22

I think it would be fine if you emailed the history teacher and asked why your DS hadn't been picked for the trip. Say what you said here - he got outstandings in his report and has a demonstrable interest in history and is anxious that he wasn't picked for the trip because he has done something wrong and you'd like to be able to reassure him on that front.
It could simply be a names out of the hat thing.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 18/12/2017 13:25

Thanks MN I spotted that and reported - doh!

Thank you noble - I think I am hestitating as I have already had a meeting and emailed various teachers and am getting a bit worried I am going to be 'that' parent - high maintenance is not me really. But I have high maintenance children!

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bigmouthstrikesagain · 18/12/2017 13:26

The trip info was pretty specific about effort grades and teacher feedback - names out of a hat I could have explained to ds with no issue - but he knows the stated criteria and has internalised it already.

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noblegiraffe · 18/12/2017 13:54

That parent would send an email complaining that their DS hadn't been picked for the trip and demanding that this be rectified.

An email that just asks for the reasoning given that your DS had met the published criteria so that your anxious, aspergers DS could understand the rules for the next time he applied to go on a trip would be fine.

It does seem odd that someone so obviously interested in history would be excluded if interest in history is one of the criteria!

Then see what they come back with. Hopefully it will be something reasonable.

Wolfiefan · 18/12/2017 13:58

You're not being "that"'parent at all. (Ex teacher.)
If you don't ask school he will continue to worry about it. I would email.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 18/12/2017 14:10

Thank you Wolfie and Noble - I think ds anxiety is catching poor flower - my shoulders are up by my ears right now! I need to get clarification wine so I can stop thinking about the ruddy trip - argh.

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Wolfiefan · 18/12/2017 14:11

Of course you're bothered if he's anxious. I do hope the school can clarify.

SparklingSnowfall · 18/12/2017 14:13

I think if you word it as you have here then you're absolutely fine to ask.

Scarydinosaurs · 18/12/2017 14:16

A simple email asking for the decision to be explained is definitely not being that parent.

I really hope he just forgot to hand it in!

SandyDenny · 18/12/2017 14:19

I'd ring and ask for a call back if the teacher's not available.

Tbh I'm surprised you need to ask, I'd have thought most people would have simply contacted the teacher to get clarification of the selection procedure/check that the form had been handed in on time.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 18/12/2017 14:38

I think Sandy (great name) - that I am feeling its a bit late as the trip is past deadline and as it is obvious he is not going - what is the point? I am also overthinking it a bit.

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BabyOrSanta · 18/12/2017 14:49

I think if you phrase it as: what can we do next time and that you need to give DS reasons, you'll be fine.

farangatang · 18/12/2017 18:03

Ah your poor DS must be so disappointed.
I agree with PPs that if you contact the school reiterating his keen interest and asking for feedback on why he missed out this time that would be perfectly reasonable (and seem as such!).

AlexanderHamilton · 18/12/2017 21:24

I do sympathise. My then undiagnosed aspie Dd was not chosen to go on a singing workshop trip despite the fact she knew even then that she wanted a career in singing/performing arts & that we'd bust a gut to get her to a music festival where the school choir was competing whereas others let them down at the last minute.

I didn't say anything but I'm sure it was a factor in her deciding to leave that school (she now has a bursary at a specialist vocational school & a place at musical theatre college for 6th form. She still remembers it & resented it for ages.

Kids on the spectrum do obsess over these things so I think it would be good to ask if there is anything your Ds could have done.

BubblesBuddy · 19/12/2017 17:34

Please do ask the school as others have suggested. One thing that occurred to me is whether you could do a slightly longer family trip to this area than the school is proposing? This would give him a far greater insight into the battles and the history. It’s very moving too. There are specialist companies that run trips for a few days. Why not give something like this as a birthday present and then he has something to oil forward to and it makes up for the current disappointment.

BackforGood · 21/12/2017 22:03

Totally agree with the first lot of answers.
You could almost copy and paste your OP.
Actually put that you are not trying to be "that" parent, but that your ds never wants to go on trips due to his Aspergers and his anxiety, but was very keen to go on this, and has seemingly met the criteria in terms of interest and effort, etc., but that you want to find out why he wasn't one of the ones selected, so you can explain it to him to allay his anxiety, plus of course so you can learn from it and tackle the situation better another time, should there be another time.

It will both remind the History Dept of how difficult school is for him (you will often find that the SEN/D Dept are good, but information and messages sometimes get lost when pupils have so many different teacher, and also teachers have so many pupils), but it will also mean that he is in their consciousness should a space become available later - change of heart / illness / some other reason for someone dropping out.

strawberryclouds · 21/12/2017 22:07

Even if you don't think there's hope of him going now, surely it would be helpful to find out the reason he wasn't chosen?

PanelChair · 22/12/2017 10:34

I think the line to take is the one suggested above, about needing some clarification so you can explain the situation to DS. If you intervene now, you might at least get to the point where he can be first reserve, in the quite likely event that someone drops out between now and the date of the trip.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 31/12/2017 00:55

If the trip is oversubscribed then they should pick all names out of a hat.

It could be he forgot to hand in the slip so he wasn’t even in the draw.

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