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Nick Gibb just blamed the teacher recruitment crisis on the 'strong economy'

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noblegiraffe · 03/10/2017 19:13

The Schools Minister was talking to the Tory party conference.
He also said it's a good time to go into teaching because you can get promoted more quickly than before.

Has anyone else's blood pressure immediately shot up?

twitter.com/tes/status/914884562064420864

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admission · 03/10/2017 21:16

Two more flippant remarks that just prove that there is a massive disconnect between the people in the DfE and the reality on the ground in the classroom.

Neolara · 03/10/2017 21:19

Oh my..... Love the great time to get a promotion comment. In my previous life as a psychologist, that would have been called positive reframing.

CamperVamp · 03/10/2017 21:21

The poor man must be so dizzy - all that spin!

BlessYourCottonSocks · 03/10/2017 21:34

There is a teacher recruitment crisis because of the crippling workload, the constant pressure from SLT and the horrendous budget cuts. Hey, personally I'm loving having around 28 kids in a History A level class. The huge amounts of A level marking really add to my weekends...

And the completely unachievable targets and lack of textbooks - particularly for our new GCSEs - just add a hint of careless abandon to spice up my life. Apparently about 30% of my Y11s are expected to achieve a 9 at GCSE. Which only 2% nationally will get. Wow. That's clearly going to happen.

Heading for an ulcer at my age probably...

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noblegiraffe · 03/10/2017 21:38

I just found the full video of his speech about this. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1594873447202027&id=107509875938399&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSrYz1HrsEC&_rdr

He finishes his talk about teacher recruitment with 'it all bodes well for the future'.

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/10/2017 21:40

Has he had a bang to the head?

CarrieBlue · 03/10/2017 22:06

Is he on glue?

squishysquirmy · 03/10/2017 22:11

If the economy was so strong, then the tax take would be high enough to afford a vast increase in the schools budget wouldn't it? So higher salaries for teachers, better resources, and better working conditions. Which would make the teaching profession attractive to a greater number of people.
So he's talking bollocks.
You get what you pay for, and if they wont put the money needed into public services then the performance of those services will get worse over time.

Draylon · 03/10/2017 22:35

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GrockleBocs · 03/10/2017 22:44

I would suggest it's (briefly) been a good time to be a Tory MP. Plenty of people got promoted suddenly.

hatgirl · 03/10/2017 22:45

so fucking stupid its actually funny

ilovesooty · 03/10/2017 22:46

He's a tosser.

elephantoverthehill · 03/10/2017 22:51

Ha ha ha ha ha aha ha ah ha. Splat.

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noblegiraffe · 04/10/2017 08:48

If you cut Nick Gibb in half, 'Teaching remains an attractive profession' would run through him like words through a stick of rock. He'll still be bleating it when there are no teachers left.

Every time there's some disastrous report in the news about funding or teaching, the DfE releases some comment about how teacher numbers are higher than ever, or school funding is higher than ever which while technically true, totally miss the point.

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Foxyloxy1plus1 · 04/10/2017 16:54

Nick Gibb is a fool and a not very effective local MP too. It doesn't matter how much spin you put upon it, there is a recruitment and retention crisis and it isn't surprising. The breaking point has been reached for many teachers, in terms of workload, data, Ofsted, observations, performance management, changes to the curriculum endlessly, over and over again.

Of course you'll get promoted quickly. That's inevitable as the number of teachers reduces and the career of a teacher is five years or less. Then again, it's all very well being a Head before the age of 30, but are you really going to do it for the next 40 years.

GHGN · 04/10/2017 20:44

There are more teachers than ever :)

I think I will set that as the line that kids with detention will have to write :)

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 04/10/2017 20:59

You can set 'the economy is strong.' as next week's line.

SingaSong12 · 04/10/2017 21:10

I have no investment in the profession (not a teacher,student or teacher). Even if I never came on MN I watch the news, maybe Nick should give it a try. Failing that try the Telegraph or the DM, hardly bastions of liberal left wing thinking

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/09/12/half-teaching-posts-filled-unqualified-teachers-national-audit/amp/

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4162354/amp/Where-Britain-s-maths-teachers-gone.html

Timeywimey8 · 05/10/2017 09:58

What he is actually saying is that teaching isn't very attractive, so if there are plenty of other jobs around, graduates will choose those first.

if the economy was rubbish, there wouldn't be as many jobs around, so graduates would be more likely to choose teaching (or fall into it because they couldn't get a job elsewhere, which isn't' a great recipe for quality teaching).

Does he actually realise what he's said? Clearly not!

Like many MPs, a bit of a prat.

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