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Scribe vs laptop

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AlexanderHamilton · 16/09/2017 20:57

Folllwing numerous behavioural & educational problems at his previous school we took ds to an ed psych. He ran a battery of tests which indicated a likelihood of an autistic spectrum disorder but most importantly in terms of school ds has a processing speed on a very low centile & dysfluent handwriting on the DASH test. In school he'd been writing hardly anything. Th Ed psych reccimended he be allowed to use a laptop for written subjects & exams & he gets extra time because of his processing speed. It was like the physical process of handwriting took up so much physical & mental effort that ds couldn't think about the content of what he was writing.

This had a huge influence on his learning & he went from barely writing his name on the page to scoring well in subjects like English. His creative writing improved massively (it had always been a huge issue). We were told that this had to become his normal way of working for exams.

He's had to move schools but one thing we are concerned about is that so far he hasn't been given a laptop (at his old school all the kids took in their own iPads but at this school you aren't allowed to take in devices). He has a TA for some lessons & it appears that she is offering to write for him. Ds declined, he doesnt like that way of working so has been struggling to write (it physically hurts him).

Does anyone know what the pros & cons are of both methods. I get the impression his new school have more children who get a scribe in exams. He is in the top set for everything (previous school was selective, this one isn't but he couldn't cope with the pressure) so I'm concerned that because he is high ability anyway it won't be seen as a problem. His attention span is dreadful.

He's being observed next week by Autism Outreach & I am due to go in for a meeting the week after so I want to gather my facts.

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Lily2007 · 16/09/2017 21:12

I would prefer if it were my child for them to have a laptop so they are doing things for themselves.

The only issue is I don't know if in exams they ever allow laptops which could put him at a disadvantage then.

I have found our son's primary to be quite accommodating if you speak to the Head and explain the situation. Might be worth a try. I can understand them generally banning devices but he's got special needs and an EP backing it up so its not an unreasonable request.

AlexanderHamilton · 16/09/2017 21:17

They do allow laptops in exams if it is the child's normal way of working. At dd's previous school there were several children who used laptops & just one, a physically disabled child who didn't have enough co-ordination to type, who used a scribe.

I know he will have to be re-assessed at the start of year 10 as the exam boards onky accept assessments that are under 2 years old (his previous one was the end of year 7)

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noblegiraffe · 16/09/2017 21:47

Cons to scribes: There is no money in schools, TA resources are spread very thinly, especially if no EHCP, but even if there is, you might find a TA shared with other students or cover patchy. A laptop, especially if you buy it, its at least there.

IdaDown · 16/09/2017 21:52

If you do stick with a laptop, have you looked at the Dragon system?

DS finds it useful for essays.

www.nuance.co.uk/dragon/dyslexia-solutions/index.htm

Lily2007 · 16/09/2017 21:54

I would agree the TAs can be cut. I went round one school and TAs had been cut from 20 to 8 for a school of 1,500. If they allow laptops in exams I can't see any advantage of a scribe. In work he will using a laptop not a scribe.

AlexanderHamilton · 16/09/2017 21:54

Noble - I agree. I would even offer to buy a 'clean' laptop for him to use. The TA's could be better used elsewhere.

I also think his previous school were wrong in the amount of help he needed (which they as a private school seemed unwilling to give' as already with just proper understanding from teachers (time to think, not being told off for fidgeting, not being given 1.5 hours of homework per night, not being teased about meltdowns & having access to a safe place to go in school when things overwhelm him instead of being told a time out card was an excuse to get out of class) he's much happier & less disruptive. I don't think he needs as much 1:1 as they said.

The ed psych said he deliberately suggested adjustments that didn't cost anything - previous school didn't put half the stuff in place.

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AlexanderHamilton · 16/09/2017 21:56

Noble - we thought about trying to get an EHCP at his previous school but were advised he wouldn't be eligible as old school couldn't show they'd done all usual suggested things. (Does that make sense?)

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roloisking · 16/09/2017 22:33

In the new English Language GCSE, 20% of the marks are for Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar (RE, History and Geography 5%) and it is hard to get these marks if using a scribe as he would have to spell out words to his scribe and dictate the punctuation.

If his spelling and punctuation is reasonable, I would see how he gets on with using a laptop (presuming his typing is reasonably competent and that the school will provide an exam laptop), but would strongly recommend he uses wordpad or equivalent which doesn't have a spelling and grammar check so that he gets used to working without this feature. As well as a laptop and extra time, access arrangements for exams can include things like regular rest breaks, a prompter or a separate room.

The school should be gathering evidence of his normal way of working e.g. use of laptop, extra time in school tests etc

AlexanderHamilton · 16/09/2017 22:37

His spelling is excellent & his punctuation/grammar is at expected levels for his age.

He has only been in the new school for two weeks but all this is reinforcing my view that he should be allowed a laptop as he was used to in his previous school. But I can definately mention the spelling thing as it is a concrete reason rather than me just saying he prefers to type.

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roloisking · 16/09/2017 22:43

I would get advice from an Autism charity, but access arrangements should be put in place if they are reasonable and if not having them would put him at a substantial disadvantage. Schools are often reluctant to put arrangements in place because of the cost so be prepared to fight his corner.

AlexanderHamilton · 17/09/2017 12:04

His new school have been far more understanding than his previous one.

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Allthebestnamesareused · 17/09/2017 18:55

Definitely persist with getting a laptop. As an invigilator in a secondary school with year groups of 180 I see generally between 15-20 in each year group using them as their general method of working. The school does provide different pcs or laptops for exams with no spellcheck etc.

Glad you have found a suportive school for your DS

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