Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

Info on Marlow, Henley, Thame, Chalfonts

356 replies

Spanielmad · 19/08/2017 22:38

Hello, we are thinking of moving into South Buckinghamshire for DH's work. Been looking at the impossible school situation already and earmarked a few areas with good (but oversubscribed) secondary schools.
Before I drive over to visit the area (we are a few hours away) I need to narrow down which towns we might like, as I can't visit them all in a day or two.

We like to be near or on the outskirts of a small town with stuff for my kids (young teen boys) such as a leisure centre, sports clubs, we like hiking in the hills/woods, I'd like a nice town with boutique shops, cafes, art galleries, art clubs etc. Low crime and peaceful would be good too- goes without saying.

Can anyone tell me anything about these towns? What are they like? I already know most of them are pricey- but would like to know more about atmosphere, crime, shops etc....
I have only done online research so far.

Henley,
Shiplake,
Marlow (my fav at the moment but hard to find a house),
Chalfont St Peter,
Chesham,
Thame.

Any thoughts very welcome!! Thank you

OP posts:
cantkeepawayforever · 23/08/2017 11:57

Actaully, i correct myself again as I accepted poisoned point without checking - Bucks website does state that late registration is possible for families moving into the area (but that needs to be dealt with URGENTLY as the tests are on 13th and 14th of September).

Ollycat · 23/08/2017 12:00

As I have already said Bucks will test throughout the year.

OP your best bet would to be in catchment and qualified for the 2nd round of allocations- all Tge schools you are interested in have offered to in catchment in the 2nd round - 11+ forum has details of the distances in a sticky.

cantkeepawayforever · 23/08/2017 12:00

Apologies again. Will bow out - how are late tests counted? As in, is the same mark required on a late test to get a place than an on-time test, with places kept open? Or is it that a late test is taken, the mark places the person on a waiting list and then they are accepted if a vacancy arises?

Ollycat · 23/08/2017 12:04

All marks are standardised- 121 is qualified- you are either qualified or not (a higher score doesn't make you more qualified) - no places are kept open so they will all be offered on national offer day (unless school is under subscribed) but there will be some movement- people going private etc etc. Plus there is also over subscription appeals.

Ollycat · 23/08/2017 12:08

Re renting- please read schools admissions policies about disposal of properties.

Spanielmad · 23/08/2017 12:12

Hi, yes MarlowRocks - we do have a house to sell.

Going to keep renting in mind....

Cantkeepawayforever - love it how you are thinking along with me. Thank you! :) Why can’t I aim for both - the more options, the more chances, surely?

I do like your scenarios; it makes things a bit clearer.
If we would do ’no vacancies' scenario: rent right next to preferred school and camp there until a place comes up. Its a way to do things but success for an appeal would be far from certain (what is the success rate of appeals?) and we must make sure the ‘in the mean time’ school is acceptable, somehow? It would mean two school moves for my child and 3 schools in a short period of time (I would imagine that would a reason for an appeal as that is not in the best interest of the child surely)

In the ‘current vacancy’ scenario I would move 3x, like you did. Grab the one available and move into a hotel/smallhouse (as current house won’t have been sold yet so can’t afford double), en then after the house sells, move to a bigger house (rent or buy). I would hope a ‘current vacancy’ school might a bit a bit more forgiving and give us a month or two but you never know.

So its either move 3x (vacancy scenario) or move schools 3x (no vacancy scenario)

My Y6 child, as I understand it, won’t sit the 11+ test and will be offered a late test or something. I cannot sort a test out until after we have moved. That is what the council says. I have yet to get in touch with a grammar school. So as I have to be resident to take the test I would imagine ‘scenario 1’ comes up again and we have to rent or buy right next door to the school.

Hence I thought of Marlow as we can ‘camp next door’ to two schools: a grammar and an upper. If we shoot at both, we might hit one at some stage.

Most admissions policies that I have read are the same: children ‘in need’ come first, then siblings, then it goes by distance. Not all mid-year admissions are run by the council though. Borlase and CCC do it themselves. Apparently in October (deadline secondary transfer) I can sign up my youngest to a Bucks school but since we still live far away he won’t get a place, but at least he’s on the list then and we can appeal once we’ve moved... (or so I am told).

Poisonedbypen - we can’t sit the 11+ in Bucks, so I am told, as we are too late. So both boys (even the Y6 one) would sit some sort of late/immediate admission test. Without prep I cannot rely on it, but as they are clever kids I would be mad to not try it and see what happens? You never know... thanks for helping out :)

Need to know how successful appeals are and I need a ‘mean time’ school. I also need to find a couple of schools with vacancies (not known until September) as a ‘mean time’ school or as a option to go for (in less preferred area perhaps).

Still wondering if all this is worth it... my word, how insane. perhaps just stay put and let DH do a weekly commute (we’d hate that though).
Renting, althugh it would mean moving twice, is a real option. With brexit we don’t know what house prices are doing either so perhaps not such a bad idea to sell up and sit it out until we know what’s happening.
Yet, even when renting, we’d need a good school, and stability. NOT 3 schools for my kids to get used to, settle into, make friends, catch up on school work and figure out... :(

Bring on september so I can talk to these darn schools! LOL
Still think Marlow Catchment is a good bet as there are two schools to aim for. Alternatively Chalfonts St Peter as the CCC probably has spaces. Or else Thame as I am imagining (might be pure imagination!) that a huge school like Lord Williams will have spaces coming up quicker than elsewhere.

OP posts:
Spanielmad · 23/08/2017 12:12

OMG, that is a long post - sorry!!

OP posts:
Spanielmad · 23/08/2017 12:18

ah, disposal of property? Sounds like best bet is to sell, rent within catchment as soon as possible. (DH hasn’t even started work there yet, LOL, he might have to commute back for a bit)
It is the ‘mean time’ school that is a worry though. I am sure (!?) there is a primary place somewhere in the region, but my eldest will need an immediate Y8 space. And I really want to avoid him moving schools twice. hm.
Ollycat, loving how knowledgable you are on these things!

Some people suggest moving away from Bucks but everywhere I look the schools are full as well. Rightmove is my only source for this and I know it is not totally 100% safe as a source but there’s nowhere else where you can see this sort of info in one go. It seems in order to find an area where the schools are NOT oversubscribed you’d have to move to Wales, or Gloucestershire... he he

OP posts:
poisonedbypen · 23/08/2017 12:33

Yes, some schools will assume something fishy if you rent a house while you still own one elsewhere, but I don't know how the Bucks grammar schools deal with this (probably varies - look at their admission criteria or ask on the eleven plus forum).

Ollycat · 23/08/2017 12:36

It's something like if you own another house within x miles they will take that as your home address

cantkeepawayforever · 23/08/2017 13:03

The renting / ownership thing is ONLY an issue if you are not moving area. It is to prevent moves whose only purpose is to 'play' school admissions. As you are moving areas, in conjunction with a house move, it shouldn't be an issue.

We moved around 40 miles, so not a ridiculous distance, but the council accepted the rented address as a 'real' one because we could prove DH's new job and that we couldn't commute to DS's new primary from our old house, nor back to the old primary from our new one.

cantkeepawayforever · 23/08/2017 13:04

I do think there is a difference, btw, between 'full' and 'full but with a selection barrier to get through as well'.

cantkeepawayforever · 23/08/2017 13:21

I think there is a real tension, btw, between wanting to avoid a school move, and wanting your children to attend good schools.

I think you should reconcile yourself to 2 schools per child - if you are REALLY lucky, it won't happen, but if you want to guarantee only 2 schools for your younger primary + secondary) and 1 for your older (secondary), then you will have to accept that the secondary school for your elder child will be a lottery in terms of quality.

The younger one could easily just have 2 schools. Attend the primary school you are given, move to the selected secondary (non-selective or selective depending on results of late 11+). Job done.

The oldest is the issue. If you are determined that they stay at the initial school, then you can't also be determined that its quality is good. If you allow one school move - so from the initially-allocated school to the chosen school (whether selective or non-selective), then you stand a better chance of getting a final school where he can thrive.

If not moving school is the absolute priority, then you will have to be prepared to compromise quality of school.

BlackbirdSingsInTheDeadOfNight · 23/08/2017 15:40

If you're thinking seriously about CCC then definitely try to get a look round it before thinking further. I gather that it's a bit of a marmite school, quite possibly because it's so enormous. I have one friend who's delighted that her DC is about to start there in Y7, but several others who appealed against their DC's allocated places there to get in elsewhere (mainly Amersham School).

Spanielmad · 23/08/2017 16:17

Its funny you all think CCC is so big, and that seems to be the only thing people have against it. My son is at a similar sized school right now and a lot of schools are well over 1000 children. Lord Williams in Thame is over 2000! I don't mind at all, it all depends whether they stream and use sets properly so that pupils can progress. Whether they can handle bad behaviour, help the weak and push the strong etc etc.
A small school does have many advantages though - I can well imagine.

I will try and go look around though, you are right.
Ironically, Amersham's Ofsted is not as good as Chalfonts.

Cantkeepaway, yes I think you are right. It is just that I am not used to all this and I am fighting it! LOL. I will have to surrender at some stage and choose the wisest path for all. I don't like any of the scenarios but will have to choose as that is just the way it seems to be.

You are right. I will focus on the eldest. If we find a place somewhere acceptable - we might well jump and rent. If we can't find a place we might well rent/buy-the-house-of-our-dreams and put him on a waiting list while he goes to a less-ok school elsewhere (I will try and find out how much say I get over that one).

It does really help to get the options this clear!
Thank you :)

OP posts:
mumsiedarlingrevolta · 24/08/2017 06:49

I have been lurking on this thread for a while....
I lived in GX for 17 years and moved-
partially because it did change from charming leafy commuter town to one with with lots of new money (nothing wrong with that-just changed the vibe)-which meant knocking down all the old houses and building massive ones that filled the boundaries. The mix of shops and ppl changed a lot.
But most relevant here is that my DS took 11+ with a very high pass and still did not get a place in any of the 3 grammars we were in catchment for. Because a few years earlier they changed the criteria to distance from schoo, not top marks down. Be wary of this!!
We moved to Windsor.
Absolutely brilliant for us-although DC are in single sex schools they are thriving-to the point where I took DD out of her fee paying school and put her in a local one.
Great results and happy community life.
There is also a middle school system that might make transitions easier.
There is something to be said wherever you go-especially at GCSE year-to have your DC be independent and walk/cycle to and from school.
I would not go to Chalfont and a Beaconsfield traffic nightmare.
Also 7 miles from Shiplake is a battle in rush hour.
I would look at Marlow or Henley. And take up rowing Wink
Good luck-think you 're going to just have to take the plunge!!
And remember-wherever they end up isn't necessarily where they will stay-you can re-visit later. Gin

Spanielmad · 24/08/2017 08:28

Thank you mumsie, that is really useful! Chalfonts still on my list as it is close to Stoke P, has a school with likely places and some big houses for sale around Rickmansworth Lane.... you mention bad traffic though....:(

Marlow top of list but not many houses I like for sale there.
Thame on my list as good school and more house for your money, but a bit of a commute to SP.

Will look into Windsor , thanks for the tip. Probably also very hard to find a big house there and what about plane noise?
Thanks!!

OP posts:
mumsiedarlingrevolta · 24/08/2017 08:36

spanielmad am happy to answer any specific questions if you want to PM me.
I would suggest if you are serious to do a mock school run...
really horrific traffic all over.
I did do the run from GX to beaconsfield/windsor and thought it would kill me...
Plane noise bothers some-doesn't really bother us as it just becomes white noise.
Old Windsor, St Leonards hill, oakley green and surrounding areas have bigger houses -lots of kids cycle to school from all of those places.
just think worth a look.
And don't want to malign a school on public forum but would urge caution about CCC...

Spanielmad · 24/08/2017 10:13

thanks you mums! have sent you a pm.
Seems mostly single sex schools in Windsor and am not keen on that.

OP posts:
ShaneBitchy · 24/08/2017 10:20

Re: plane noise. I used to live in Longford and worked nights and I could sleep through Concorde taking off. You just get used to it and don't notice.

Spanielmad · 24/08/2017 10:56

I grew up under a flight path ( that is a while back) but have since lived in quiet areas...so wonder if I'd get used to it again....

OP posts:
BlackbirdSingsInTheDeadOfNight · 24/08/2017 11:51

And don't want to malign a school on public forum but would urge caution about CCC...

Absolutely agree with this. Spaniel I am happy to PM you if you'd like?

WhatInTheWorldIsGoingOn · 24/08/2017 12:18

The queen doesn't seem too fussed about plane noise!

Spanielmad · 24/08/2017 13:07

Blackbird, you agree about the plane noise being something to get used to? I don't doubt it. Feel free to pm me if you have more info but not overly keen on Windsor because of the single sex schools.... :(

OP posts:
Spanielmad · 24/08/2017 13:11

oh wait, didn't see the text in bold. Yes please PM me about CCC, if you can? Thank you. :)

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread