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Rant about the new maths GCSEs. Michael Gove you tosser.

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noblegiraffe · 14/06/2017 00:06

I've got to write this because I've been fuming all day and I need to get it out or I'll never sleep.

So today was the final maths paper, the first round of teaching of the new GCSEs complete. What a total and utter nightmare the whole thing has turned out to be. The poor kids today looked like wrecks. Over 20 different exams spread over weeks has really taken its toll, thanks to all subjects being made linear. We had a revision class yesterday and they had nothing left to give, it was a really horrible ending to the course, trying to cajole them into squeezing in some last minute revision. Three papers for maths has meant it has been a real trial to keep the momentum going (not to mention the added expense of all the extra photocopying of 3 papers instead of 2). Next year it will be even worse as at least this year they still have the cushion of coursework in some subjects.

Due to the last minute scrapping of SAMs which meant the textbooks were out of date and useless even before they left the warehouse and school funding cuts which meant we couldn't afford to buy them even when updated, teachers have been scrabbling over the internet for resources to teach the new topics on the syllabus. The syllabus is unclear and teachers have been trying to find out what they actually have to teach from looking at the sample papers put out by the exam boards. Workload has been horrendous. One question on Edexcel Foundation caught lots by surprise because that style of question wasn't on any papers, and being an old A* topic, many schools hadn't taught it.

Some of the syllabus is just stupid. Memorising exact trig values on foundation? Really?

Before the most recent higher and foundation papers we had foundation (up to a D) intermediate (up to a B) and higher (up to an A) which were then replaced with foundation (up to a C) and higher (up to an A). Essentially what has happened is that we've gone back to the old system with an intermediate and higher paper, but got rid of foundation and are making all the weaker kids sit intermediate. There is nothing for them on the papers. Kids who would have got a G or F grade are having to sit 4.5 hours of papers where they can answer maybe 2-3 questions on each. What does that say to them? The first question on the first maths paper that they sat was (non calc) 2^4. The third was solve x/5 = 2 1/2. Those poor kids.

And the papers themselves? Awful. It used to be 'the examiners are looking to reward what you know, not trying to catch you out'. Well that seems to have passed Edexcel by. Questions which could have been fine had twists put into them for no reason other than to increase the chance of failure. Foundation kids for the first time have to solve simultaneous equations. But why put a question on which is going to trip them up and confuse them? Lots of fuss about trig being on Foundation so we dutifully taught it and spent lots of time on it because it's hard. It was on every sample paper they produced. It wasn't on the sodding real thing. What a waste of time.

My foundation class would have comfortably got Cs and be able to answer the majority of a paper without breaking a sweat. Now it's all very, very difficult and they hate it. We've had higher tier students lose all confidence, bomb out of the higher paper and be moved to foundation, capping their potential grade. Other higher students have decided that maths isn't for them and wont be taking A-level.

All this has served to do is to put kids off maths and make them think they can't do it.

And it's all very well saying 'the grade boundaries will be low, it will be fine, the same proportion will get a C as last year' etc etc. As a maths teacher who is interested in the maths education of the population, this is simply not good enough. You can't make kids better at maths by battering them over the head with stuff they can't do.

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LittleHo · 15/06/2017 21:44

Nobody has any idea about the grade boundaries for these new exams.

What is amazing is the sheer range of estimates between different teachers, schools and students.

minesawine · 15/06/2017 22:01

Noble Is there any opportunity to give feedback to Ofqual or anyone else on how shit this whole process has been. There must be somebody who parents can complain to. Are the government interested in reviewing how this first year went. It is so awful and my DS is so disheartened. He really wanted to do maths A Level and now he is petrified. His school only does 3 A Levels so if he chooses wrongly then he is screwed. He doesn't know what to do. How can the government have go this so badly wrong.

Fleurdelise · 15/06/2017 22:12

I find the whole situation with maths gcse this year sad. DS got into his secondary school on academic selection, based on his year 7 CAT test he was targeted a grade 9 had that what he's been taught to achieve. So an able mathematician right? Wrong. The gcse course made him hate maths and tonight he stated to me hand of heart that even if he would achieve a 7/8/9 he would not do maths A level because he hates maths. Sad Not that he's in danger of achieving it as he thinks only half of the first paper was completed correctly (non-calculator), he did complete the second one and the third one. This is Edexcel higher.

So ignoring the low achievers (as some people seem to be happy to) what has this new gcse achieve for the high achievers? There's a handful of them that came out of the exam confident. Literally! if you go on the GCSEs support thread you can see it. Twitter reflects this too. Kids coming out of the exams crying. Their dreams shuttered.

Well at least we can now differentiate between an A an A and an A*. At a cost of dcs like my own who used to love this subject hating maths and not doing a maths A level. His teacher was so disappointed when she heard he's not applying for it.

Now this is a previously high achiever kid who thinks he's happy with a 5. What happens with the average kids? Or the low achievers who could previously just about scrape a C?

I have a average daughter (I think, she's only 9) and I fear for her seeing my DS's experience. He was (is?) so brainy at maths, he used to love a good challenge and to hear him stating he hates maths is so bloody annoying. What will dd do? She's just a normal average child, not a low achiever, no SEN, she just prefers books and music to maths, what will she get? Do I hire a tutor now?!?

BertrandRussell · 15/06/2017 22:55

"The gcse course made him hate maths"

Can he articulate why? One of the complaints that parents of able mathematicians often make on here is that their children are bored and frustrated by GCSE maths. What is this syllabus getting wrong?

TheFallenMadonna · 15/06/2017 23:04

My DS likes Maths. He has enjoyed the GCSE course. He has no idea how well he'said done, and is panicking about not getting the 7 he needs for A level Maths and Physics.

I teach in a PRU. The children I teach have had a very disjointed education and have lots of gaps when they join us, usually athe the end of year 10/beginning of year 11. We took the decision to do IGCSE maths with them this year, because of the lower literacy demand. IGCSE has similar content to the new GCSE at foundation (so we did trig, simultaneous equations etc) but they didn't give up as quickly when we trialled past IGCSE papers against the specimen 9-1 papers. They did more Maths.

TheFallenMadonna · 15/06/2017 23:07

Meant to add... we can't do IGCSE any more. Next year, it's 9-1 for us too.

Calyrical · 15/06/2017 23:09

I like the English papers. Maths sounds tricky.

Fleurdelise · 15/06/2017 23:11

Bertrand I believe it was the pressure. The chaos. The teachers kept shoving more and more, past papers, made up papers, there wasn't time to consolidate any new learning and the constant stress and lack of certainty.

He actually told me he just doesn't feel like he's good at maths anymore and he feels stupid. His words sorry, I don't believe kids who can't do maths are stupid but you know how teenagers talk. Still getting (hopefully, he was on track last time) his As in sciences where the GCSEs course hasn't changed so he didn't just turn into a low ability kid but in maths he says he suddenly started to feel lost.

I don't think the problem will remain, future generations will have the time to teach it properly over 2/3/4 years but the issue remains, what about this generation?

Of course it could be a mix of things, maybe bad teaching, but the school's results are great in previous years so I don't think the teaching has suddenly turned bad. God knows!

caroldecker · 15/06/2017 23:17

thefallenmadonna If you cared about the pupils, then you can do IGCSE.
As you only care about your pay/promotion, you will do the 1-9 grades.
Private schools are perfectly happy doing the igcse's as are parents. Stand up for what you believe in or accept you are a hypocrite.

EmilyBiscuit · 15/06/2017 23:22

I'm pretty sure that classroom teachers don't get a say in which exam the kids sit carole.

noblegiraffe · 15/06/2017 23:27

carol private schools aren't answerable to Ofsted. Your argument is nonsense. The government is forcing schools to take the new GCSEs by making them the only GCSE level qualifications that count for the league tables.
Are you saying the government is wrong?

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TheFallenMadonna · 15/06/2017 23:31

Er... The IGCSE we are doing stops this year, which is why I can't do it next year.

We have one a qualification which does not count in headline measures precisely because we do care about our students and what is best for them. We are fortunate to be able to make that choice. Mainstream state schools really, really cannot.

I am not the slightest bit interested in promotion having left a leadership role in a high performing school to return to the classroom to teach challenging students.

I am not a hypocrite and your post has made me very angry.

noblegiraffe · 15/06/2017 23:39

carol seems determined, for some reason, to blame schools for the fallout from this monumental balls-up, the blame for which leads straight back to Michael Gove.

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noblegiraffe · 15/06/2017 23:42

he just doesn't feel like he's good at maths anymore

This became a massive problem after the November mock, when Y11 sat papers at the new standard for the first time. I think on the higher paper something like three quarters of students scored less than 40%.

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PetraDelphiki · 15/06/2017 23:49

Slightly off topic but I was wondering if you could have a paper where you aren't supposed to attempt all questions. So at the start you have loads of easy 1 mark questions, then some 2/5/10/20/50 whatever so you encourage the top end to just do the 20 mark questions (maybe expect 5 or so of these) and the less able to tick off as many 1 mark ones. Then you can get a lot more granularity in the marks, and would actually be able to more accurately demonstrate how much maths knowledge people have. You wouldn't be able to commit in advance to grade boundaries though!

Does that make sense? Could it work?

ideally you'd want a version of adaptive testing where the questions get harder until you can confidently say that you have identified the ability of the candidate I think that's really hard to do on paper! And I can't see us going down the computer based route for a very long time!!!

noblegiraffe · 15/06/2017 23:58

Petra that's kind of what we already have. The less able students sit the foundation paper with the easier questions and don't see the harder questions. The more able students sit higher, so don't get asked the really easy questions (although technically they could be asked anything), and spend more time on the harder material.

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caroldecker · 16/06/2017 00:13

I do not know the detail. My point is that schools are choosing to put pupils through too many unnecessary exams and exams they disagree with, whilst other, equally valid, exams are available for pupils, and used by top performing private schools.
How come private schools can persuade parents to part with £20,000 a year to get less exams which are not 'league table' approved, but state schools cannot persuade parents to accept the same for free?

BertrandRussell · 16/06/2017 00:20

"I do not know the detail"

You don't even know the broad brush!

gluteustothemaximus · 16/06/2017 00:22

It's the same for DS. He was top set for maths, passed 11 plus, in grammar going well, but these changes... well he feels stupid and thick. Crap at maths. His words.

Surely kids don't go to school to feel stupid? How can you enjoy a subject, then hate it?

Too much stress. Too much homework. Teachers leaving in their droves according to DS.

Such a mess.

noblegiraffe · 16/06/2017 00:24

Maths, science and language teachers are quitting teaching at a higher rate than other subjects. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39934526 (English not far behind).

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noblegiraffe · 16/06/2017 00:25

carol I don't think you understand who sets the agenda in state education. Hint: it's not the parents.

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CupOfTeaAndAGoodBook · 16/06/2017 06:58

Carol, state schools get their funding from the government, and therefore have to do government-funded qualifications.

IGCSE history on this is:
Initially IGCSEs weren't funded so state schools didn't sit them
They got a reputation for being harder so Gove decided they should be available to state schools and funded them (sort of- I'm skating over the detail)
Then Gove decided to fuck up the whole exam system to score points with the Daily Mail create a new exam system
He realised that his new exams would be extremely unpopular so he took the IGCSE funding away from state schools again so that they'd have no choice but to sit the new 9-1 exams.

My prediction for the future: private schools will also migrate over to the new exams because in a few years' time they'll probably be more prestigious for the high achievers. But they are (I think? I'm out of touch) wisely waiting till the dust settles and sticking with IGCSE in the meantime.

OhTheRoses · 16/06/2017 07:19

My dd got A* French GCSE in 2014. She switched schools for 6th form. After a term she gave up A'Level French because her classmates were so much further ahead she couldn't keep up. They had all done IGCE.

Standards are being raised. Some children aren't academic and perhaps shouldn't be doing GCSE' s. It's a reflection of reality and I am tired of interviewing entry level candidates who often have soft subject masters degrees who cannot write nicely or punctuate or work out a percentage, a fractional salary, some pro-rated annual leave, etc. I can interview 12 and one is employable. It is utterly shocking. I could do that at 16/18.

BertrandRussell · 16/06/2017 07:21

I think there's a conversation to be had about an education system where someone feels "stupid and thick" if they aren't going to get the absolute top grade. We set up expectations in them- nothing but As will do- then create a system where only 2% will get 9s. And you can tell them til you are blue in the face that an 8 is the new A- but while there is still a grade above they won't believe you.

pieceofpurplesky · 16/06/2017 07:26

Buses what you describe is what Gove took away. It's all about progress 8 now - no more college courses doing mechanics or beauty as they don't count

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