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Should child be refused GCSE revision session because of detention?

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youarenotkiddingme · 19/04/2017 14:33

DC year 11 gets a detention for not handing in a piece of homework - fair enough.

Revision session for core subject is announced for same day.

DC asked teacher if he could re arrange detention as thinks revision session would be useful.

DC told no because detention is punishment and they have to learn actions have consequences - again the consequence is fair enough.

This is only 2nd detention has has had in 5 years so isn't a serial offender iyswim?

AIBU to think that considering the change in curriculum and grading and the fact the GCSE's affect their immediate future the teacher should have agreed another day or even said he could attend the session as part of his detention for being mature enough to A) realise the session was important and B) have the maturity to try and rearrange not just get out of it?

This is only part of a whole issue that seems to have stemmed from a change of HT.

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CrowyMcCrowFace · 19/04/2017 20:46

Also, anyone who wants not to be in detention with me for missed deadline has merely to rock up at the start of the detention with the missing work completed. That's all I want.

They are then free to go to whatever revision session they like.

I'm not making kids sit & stare at a wall for an hour because I find it a fulfilling use of my time. I just want the work in so I can mark it!

stuckin90s · 19/04/2017 21:09

I think you probably are a saint crowe, I always tell my husband my heart is black;far from sainthood😀.

stuckin90s · 19/04/2017 21:10

I just wish I had teachers stamina🙂.

youarenotkiddingme · 19/04/2017 21:19

My friend has decided to email HOY after seeing responses.

She is simply going to point out that the "missed" homework wasn't actually a deadline and a genuine mistake and she feels the lack of inflexibility has added too much pressure on her DC who is worried now he's missed a revision session deemed important. So she's said that her Dc has decided to stop representing the school in athletics to focus on their exams.
She also going to add the suggestion that if pupil represent the school during school time that they have a system to pass on the missed work and any homework set and if their is deadlines they are put with this information.

I suggested to her DC that as they train out of school at county level for athletics (they are top level) and the athletics season in school will be getting busy and so they are likely to be playing catch up a lot - they withdraw from the school team for this period of time. They already do a lot out of school so fitness etc won't be affected. They agreed and so that's what friend is telling school.

The school will not be happy. They are very competitive and focussed on their reputation and parade the Dc about as one of their successes! But it's not worth 8 weeks of worrying for the Dc.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 19/04/2017 21:30

I do the same as crow, the detention is set, just bring the work in and you can go.

Unfortunately there are many children who will use the revision session to get out of the detention.

BoneyBackJefferson · 19/04/2017 21:31

She also going to add the suggestion that if pupil represent the school during school time that they have a system to pass on the missed work and any homework set and if their is deadlines they are put with this information.

I wonder how they will get on at college and university?

CrowyMcCrowFace · 19/04/2017 21:41

Is the work not set online?

Everywhere I've worked has used a platform like Google Classroom or another VLE so that students can access homework.

Ultimately, though, it's still got to be the student's responsibility.

By year 11 they need to have this sorted. College/uni won't be doing nearly as much hand holding!

Honestly it's better if they get their heads around 'meet deadlines, or there are consequences' much younger. Otherwise it's liable to come as an unpleasant shock.

youarenotkiddingme · 19/04/2017 21:52

Because the issue here is that when students are out representing school on sports events during the day they have to ask peers for work missed and homework.
This time it failed as pupil asked hadn't written 'homework' as complete the sheet as they'd completed it in class.

That resulted in a detention and missed revision session and dc getting worried they'd missed it.

After discussing it the dc agreed with me that right now it's important they focus on the exams and revision. And that with their out of school athletics training and county training having 5 hours of missing schoolwork to catch up on as well is just too much. I also pointed out elite athletes follow different training regimes during their degrees dependent on work load.

They agreed that not attending the schools athletic events will not affect their training or future prospects and will release some of the pressure during the exam period.

My friend was quite blunt to me (more formal in email) in saying the school are quite happy to parade him about as their star athlete but not quite so forthcoming in returning the favour when he needs support or information. I have to say I agree with her here - if they are taking him out of lessons to represent him it's much to ask that they make sure he gets the information he missed during lessons.

She also pointed out they were less than impressed when he missed the last lesson of the day the other week for an orthodontist appointment that couldn't be rearranged.

I totally have taken on board all that's said and agreed with everyone about the difficulties of rearranging and chasing students and so has my friend.

Right now her priority is supporting her ds through the exams and doing what is less stressful for him.

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youarenotkiddingme · 19/04/2017 21:55

He's never missed a deadline in his life! He didn't actually miss this one - he didn't know it existed!

And no it's not set online. My ds is and her other child who goes to a different school is.
This school believe that students should learn to record deadlines themselves and use a planner/online calendar to self organise their time. Her ds is actually very good at this and time manages his school work and athletics well.

I think right now like a lot of year 11,s he's worried about new exams and grades and this was just the straw that broke the camels back and he needs to prioritise what matters to him right now.

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RaspberryIce · 19/04/2017 22:34

Sounds like he's made the right decision. I wouldn't like this either as I'd worry he'd miss out on helpful revision. He wasn't asking for it to be cancelled and surely there will be future detentions held at the school that he could be moved into, although it sounds like the detention was a bit ott anyway under the circumstances.

Redsrule · 20/04/2017 06:57

I would think mum making such a fuss about it will only add to the stress. Where I work competitive sports for Y11 don't exist in the Summer Term. It is a really difficult time for them.

However, I had one mum complain to me yesterday that I was unfair running my revision sessions 10-2 during the holidays because her DS likes a lie in. He rocked up at 12.30 and she was irate that I wouldn't stay after 2 to catch him up on what he had missed. She also complained that there were hardly any snacks left when he got there.

I wonder if he will attend the early session today?!?!

RaspberryIce · 20/04/2017 07:02

The mum sounds nuts redsrule

youarenotkiddingme · 20/04/2017 07:11

Red that mum is clearly taking the piss!

Tbf to my friend she didn't actually make a fuss. Her ds didn't tell her about this when it happened but was revising the other day and then became worried and then explained why.

I think simply saying that exams take precedence right now is a good solution because her ds is stressed and anxious about the exams - as I'm sure most year 11s are! I think her ds just needed to hear from her and other adults that he isn't letting school down by not competing for them anymore because he can't manage the extra workload that brings on top of his other commitments and revision.

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bojorojo · 20/04/2017 09:56

The school need to be flexible. They can't have it both ways and if they cannot see a way through this, everyone suffers. The school and the child. Just go to his athletics club and train there. If the school cared about his sport they would have supported him. My children did loads of extra activities and represented the school. They were cut a bit of slack. It is just sensible. It is also the difference between private and state! Private schools understand about an all round education!

RaspberryIce · 20/04/2017 10:42

Let us know how the school responds op.

youarenotkiddingme · 20/04/2017 10:57

HOY has asked friend to go in for meeting. I'm going with her. Her ds text from toilet earlier to warn her hoy on warpath and was not particularly kind to her ds earlier.

I'll fill you in after!

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stuckin90s · 20/04/2017 11:12

Hope you get it sorted. I am slightly jealous though that the son lets his parents go into school and sort things out, I am banned from stepping over the front doors, unless they have forgotten something really important.There are so many times when they have had issues with other children, and I've had to swear not to speak to the school.

stuckin90s · 20/04/2017 11:17

I lie, there was one occasion when my daughter was upset about a teachers reaction; I rang the teacher and sorted it out. To be fair, the teacher had had a bad day, like we all do.Perhaps it would be better for him in the long run , just to not make a big deal out of this now though, it might help him to get used to and deal with frustrations.

BoneyBackJefferson · 20/04/2017 11:47

youarenotkiddingme

I would be very surprised if you were allowed in the meeting.

youarenotkiddingme · 20/04/2017 16:17

Oh dear lord that was an interesting meeting Shock

So we go in and HOY is there with teacher who issued detention. She had emailed ahead to say she'd be bringing someone along and was informing them out of politeness in case they wanted a second member of staff.

Basically HOY said she'd told her DS that he has a responsibility to the school to represent them at sporting events as he is part of their sporting reputation.

Friend gave her a cold stare and said they are absolutely responsible for providing him an education but when he's representing the school they put the responsibility for missed work on him. She said they can't deny that up until the missed maths he'd always done this.

She said that her DS should just suck it up that he made a mistake and got a detention and couldn't attend the revision session.

So friend said - oh, I thought detentions were for misbehaviour - not genuine mistakes?

The HOY was quite brash and kept saying that as a member of the school they expected her ds to represent them at the competitions from here on in as he'd agreed previously and that she as a parent must find a way to help him not be stressed over the GCSEs. She wouldn't actually listen to my friend saying she gets the whole detention thing was just mis communication but that itself has highlighted to her as a parent how stressed her ds is about the exams. And that as a response to that she feels missing more days out of school will add to that and so they've come to a decision together that athletics for school needs to stop.

I just say there half expecting the pair of them to start yelling at each other as neither was going to back down or discuss the situation.

Anyway it ended with the most impressive thing I've ever seen my friend do! She is one of these annoyingly organised people - she suddenly produced a copy of the letters she'd signed agreeing he could attend these events and a copy of the agreement you sign about photos, going offsite etc - she'd written the date and a comment on them saying she hereby withdraws all permission for ds to go offsite or be used by the school on the news letter or website or have his photo taken from this date onwards. She whipped out her phone and took a photo of where she'd placed it on the desk saying "as evidence you've received this" calmly looked the hoy in the eye and said that she is doing exactly what she's told her too - making sure her ds stress levels are kept as low as possible through his GCSEs and that she hoped the school would support her ds as well.

Me and the teacher were sat there catching flies!

Afterwards my friend said she had kept her trap shut since new head started and just sent her youngest elsewhere and kept quiet as she knew ds was leaving. But after the way the HOY spoke to her ds rather than ask him what he needed or offer support despite her saying he's admitted he's struggling that she said she was putting her foot down.

I have to admit I thought my friend was making a big deal about the detention thing at first - especially having read some very good reasoned posts on here - but having sat listening to HOY I now see exactly what my friends been saying about the school caring about their promotions and reputation and pastoral care being extremely poor.

Her DS is "well impressed" apparently very few people have the guts to even speak to HOY - let alone stand up to her!

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noblegiraffe · 20/04/2017 16:25

Two issues conflated here. The detention thing is defensible. The insistence that the DS continue with his sporting commitments despite his imminent exams is not.

Good on your friend for officially withdrawing his permission for sporting events. I think most Y11s across the country have given up or scaled back extra curricular activities at this point.

youarenotkiddingme · 20/04/2017 16:33

I think my friend has been quite shocked at seeing her ds so stressed. He's always been the stoic independent one who knows exactly what he plans to do and competes at a high level in his field.
Seeing him want to stop what he loves and wants to do in the future at school level has shown her how much he is struggling with juggling that right now.

Seeing the school just repeat that effectively they don't give a shit they are relying on him to win them a trophy opened hers eyes up. She already knew school had changed - hence why she didn't send her more anxious and more emotional younger child there!

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Trifleorbust · 20/04/2017 17:26

Of course he doesn't have to represent the school at events! I think during his GCSE year he should only take on as much as he feels he can manage. Your friend was right.

stuckin90s · 20/04/2017 19:33

I take back what I said about no going in.I was thinking this was a reasonable school, but this shows it isn't anywhere near that. You sound like a very supportive friend.

CrowyMcCrowFace · 20/04/2017 21:21

I have to say absolutely fair play to your friend!

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