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The best way to handle this?

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Youarentkiddingme · 20/09/2015 09:13

Ds is 11 and just started Secondary school. He has ASD which mainly manifests itself in poor social communication and anxiety. He is an able student but struggles to keep up as his writing is poor and illegible and he struggles to think and write.

In juniors he struggled a lot with the dynamics of pupil relationships. He was bullied by one lad but struggled generally with social aspects. He preferred to use lunch club than go out to play although towards the end of year 6 he began to mix more. It wasn't necessarily successful but gave us an opportunity to work on social communication and friendships with him.
He also attended nurture group 2 afternoons a week, had small group support in literacy and in year 6 has a scribe, a lot of 1:1 and small group support and also weekly ELSA sessions.

We did a transfer review with secondary. As far as I was aware it was recognised that DS needed a lot of support to keep him on an even keel and reach his full potential.

I'm very hopeful for the secondary as it has a reputation for getting the best of its pupils but there is some incidents and some things that are making me question whether he's getting support as needed. However I'm also struggling with not having contact with just one person and not sure if I'm worrying unnecessarily so would value some advice.

It was agreed that DS would have a laptop provided by the school due to his writing and spelling needs. I've signed the forms etc but it's taking a while for it to be provided. Ds says they are telling him it's coming.
However, I've noted on his SEN details on the portal they've removed SpLD as a need and just left asd which is making me feel uneasy.
Ds did get a great set of results for sats, however he did have a scribe and reader and these weren't gained independently. He's told me what his literacy target is and it means that using the old levels he's expected to make 2 sub levels (fair enough) from his sats result - however that's independently and if he'd not had the scribe in year 6 and carried on making the rate of progress he did he'd have been a level lower. Technically that means he's having to make 5 sub levels this year. Ds is already telling me he's struggling to keep up.

Ds has open access to student services and uses this before school, break times and after school sometimes. He is socialising with peers up here which is great. However there is no support given other than a listening ear if there is a problem. Ds doesn't recognise his own emotions and will hold on to everything until he explodes. This was why he had weekly ELSA sessions - so he could dump problems and move on. Something he struggles greatly with.
So school aren't hearing about incidents and concerns he has. He's bringing it home and getting more and more anxious.

Then there is the incident where a boy threw Ds bag and took Ds phone out of his bag. Refused to give it back so Ds physically took it from him. Now Ds says that he has been told he can't go to computer club as they don't want trouble makers - and has to speak to a member of staff - which he can't remember who - about the incident. He really struggles to explain events short and factually and tends to retell it with what he has presumed people's intentions are.

Then there's the homework which Ds just cannot organise himself over and is needing me to support him on daily - including writing in his planner as his records are illegible and disorganised.

would you send an email outlining concerns? Ask for a face to face meeting and a new plan of support to be drawn up? Wait and see what happens and if they realise themselves he'll need more support? (I hate the waiting to fail approach but it can work) or another option?

I really hate being that parent but it seems you have to be Sad

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mummytime · 20/09/2015 13:47

I would phone and request an interview with the SENCO - his transition obviously isn't going ideally.
I would also keep a diary of promises made by the school and when they are supposed to happen.

Do they have a card system for pupils who need extra support? Can the SENCO speak to the Computer club manager? Why wasn't the phone taken off the boy who had it? At my DC's school if a phone was out within school it would/could be confiscated and only returned at the end of the session.
Have they promised any 1:1 support?
Have you reported the boy who took the phone?

My DC have all at sometime had a card attached to their planner who has indicated what kind of extra support they need (sometimes more than one). At DCs school they have cards for: Young Carers; needs to leave classroom; needs homework written in for them; is on reduced homework; medical needs etc. They are colour coded which helps teachers.

The key people I approach are: SENCO and Head of Year. We are encouraged to contact Form Tutor - but I never have a minor issue with my DC, and HOY is usually in a better position to deal with (and its usually urgent).

Youarentkiddingme · 20/09/2015 16:35

The agreed support was access to student services which he uses and laptop which he's yet to get - although I've signed the dorms so have no reason to believe they won't do it - just a niggle because they've removed the SpLD from his Sen needs.

The school have lots of groups already set up for support which DS would have automatically qualified for if he didn't have the 1:1 and scribe/reader in sats as he wouldn't have reached level 4.

I've not had contact with senco, other than a chat at open evening and all IPA review stuff has been done through student services with a lady who use to be senco before they had to be qualified teachers. The lady is lovely and I have frequent email contact with them.

But it's the age old problem of the fact that because ds walks around seemingly happy everyone assumes he must be happy. Even Camhs said you can't judge how he actually feels against how he outwardly looks.

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noblegiraffe · 20/09/2015 20:20

Is the SpLD part of his diagnosis? It's entirely possible that it wasn't removed, but missed out in error when transferring across systems.

It sounds like you need a meeting with the SENCO to review his provision. I wouldn't wait and see, the SENCO will have little to no contact with him and in secondary, having so many teachers means that lots of niggling concerns often aren't put into a bigger picture.

Idefix · 20/09/2015 21:15

I would get in touch asap, it is very possible that there has been a mishap with the information regarding your ds needs this happened to us especially when it is not totally obvious.

The card thing sounds good. Our school uses a computer system that is oft not read or updated so I found.

I would also consider emailing his individual teachers outlining a willingness to work with them but also indicating the ways that ds learns best and strategies to help ds ok I admit it, I am "that parent" Grin after I did this I never again sat with a tearful ds trying to analyse his handwriting to try and work out what his homework might be.

Hope things improve for ds op. It is really stressful as a parent to feel so removed from such a huge part of dc lives.

Youarentkiddingme · 20/09/2015 22:31

No SpLd is nothing to do with his asd. That carries enough difficulties but his specific learning difficulty relates to writing. It was on the system he has Sen needs as asd and SpLD but it's been removed and just left as ASD.

I have considered emailing all 10 teachers Grin plus the senco! but have settled for a nice email to student support highlighting ds concerns about how much he's struggling, relating his difficulties to EP, CAMHS report etc and asked what support he's getting and reminded them of what juniors was giving him to meet the recommendations in reports.

I might have asked nicely if they'd yet received the file from old school and the information I sent them in July because I'd be apply to provide them with any information they were missing in order to plan bs package of support thoroughly Wink

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Idefix · 21/09/2015 06:26

That sounds like a good plan Smile, I don't want to sound all doom and gloom but I would have a deadline in mind for a response and some action. Hopefully your school will pull there socks up, ds school was a bit hopeless in that they would make the right noises but nothing.

I would at least email his overall tutor and let them know about the situation. They have a pastoral responsibility and if the school has an online information system they should be able to see all these blips.

Good luck.

Youarentkiddingme · 23/09/2015 21:51

I emailed the HoY last night and said I wasn't entirely sure who my point of contact was as I'd only dealt with lady from student services and she has said her area is emotional/social not academic. I did point out I'd contacts her as she did DS IPA review.
The HOY almost immediately (I'm surprised at it was late!) copied me and SS lady in and sent email to senco and someone else in schoo and asked them to look into it.

Ds was off ill today - he really just is not coping. But I've heard nothing.

It's really wrong but I'm just considering letting him stay off when/if he refuses to go until I get correspondence. At least once his attendance is low someone will take note and I'll get support re a 'get him into school plan'

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noblegiraffe · 23/09/2015 22:35

Don't do that! You'll just end up with the educational welfare officer on your back. It sounds like the HOY is on the case so if DS refuses to go into school again tomorrow, email him straight away, copying in the SENCO highlighting the urgency of the situation now DS is refusing to come to school due to lack of support and requesting an urgent meeting with all parties to come up with a plan.

Idefix · 24/09/2015 10:08

Agree with noble that sounds like a bad plan. I would do as noble says. I would say that the fact that they have not got back straight away is a good sign, suggests that they are looking into things and that as you have said that things are quite set up correctly.

Miscommunication ime seems quite common is secondary schools, in my ds first secondary despite meeting the lead senco and handing over all paper work regarding diagnosis ds was never put on the system. It was only in the third term that school contacted us regarding ds poor attitude to hw, terrible organisation and lack of concentration. Ds had no help at all and the decline in his grades was very evident, it was not picked up by us still feel really guilty I was living in another country for work reasons and dh was suddenly a single parent trying to do everything Sad.

Sorry for the waffle but when I contacted the school it took them a full week to come back to us with red faces and appologies. There had been a fail in there admin and ds being very bright but just starting yr7 thought this was how it was and tried to get on with it.

Don't feel daunted, through GCSEs I was in contact with 3 ds teachers virtually weekly to ensure ds needs were being supported. A good school and good teachers will welcome this level of involvement, as they also want the best for your ds.

Hope you hear back soon, would also suggest requesting an update request from the senco and cc in the hoy. Just in case!

Youarentkiddingme · 24/09/2015 17:52

I wouldn't actuall just not send him in! I would have sent email to say he wasn't in due to stress of school and got a Dr appointment to get it formally registered.
Ds tried every trick in the book to stay home today. He started at 5.45am and finally conceded at 7.45am - but he went Grin

Still no reply to my email though that was forwarded to the correct people on Tuesday evening. And still no sign of the laptop I signed forms for a few weeks ago that was agreed he have back in June when we did his IPA review.

I had such high hopes for this school - they don't appear to be delivering Sad

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