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New Free School Robert Owen headline figure 4%

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noblegiraffe · 28/08/2015 12:42

Just read this article in the TES about the Robert Owen Academy only getting 1 student through 5 GCSEs inc Maths and English.

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-news/exclusive-just-one-pupil-hits-gcse-benchmark-free-school

Anyone know what went wrong here?

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WildStallions · 28/08/2015 13:02

I guess that starting at 14, when all the other local schools start at 11, would mean that it is taking on a lot of disillusioned pupils who have had enough of school?

It's probably pitching itself as a vocational school, and deliberately attracting pupils who want vocational qualifications.

Which still doesn't wholly explain their results. But certainly explains some of them.

IrenetheQuaint · 28/08/2015 13:08

Looks poor but obviously hard to comment without a sense of the issues.

A lot of new 14-19 schools seem to be having problems, presumably because kids who are happy and doing well at school don't want to move for Year 10.

Kez100 · 28/08/2015 14:44

The figure is such an outlier thete must be a back story. Justbecause a school has free in the name doesn't mean it will be destined to achieve well or badly.

tiggytape · 28/08/2015 14:56

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noblegiraffe · 28/08/2015 17:08

Wow, I just read their Ofsted report and it's terrible.

reports.ofsted.gov.uk/index.php?q=filedownloading/&id=2490716&type=1&refer=0

The school was poorly managed in its first year of opening. The school was unable to recruit suitably qualified teachers. The site is inadequate and the students are cooped up inside all day.

I understand the problems associated with accepting a more challenging intake, but why the hell was this school allowed to open? Confused

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Millymollymama · 28/08/2015 17:56

Because the government believes these schools provide "choice" to parents and what is even worse, money is taken away from other schools to pay for them. In my county the free school awpu is much bigger than everyone else's. I am not sure these schools will be very attractive to good or excellent teachers, either. You are likely to be teaching at a very one dimensional level with no chance of teaching very bright children. I cannot see how that is an overly attractive proposition.

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Millymollymama · 28/08/2015 19:18

I can see the dilemma for these children and I strongly believe in vocational education. The school will be very well funded and it is right that they provide value for money but perhaps schools like this should be judged on different criteria? For example, do they get young people into jobs? Are they successfully trained in their vocation? How is that judged? Qualifications or learning on the job with sponsors?

We are very short of home trained building industry tradespeople, hotel workers, waiters, care assistants, chefs, machinists, and many other jobs that are hard work but do require certain skills rather than GCSEs. However, we seem to employ people from abroad to do this work, rather than train up our own young people because employers want ready trained employees who turn up every day on time. Even Jamie Oliver says he cannot run his businesses without workers from abroad. These schools could bridge the gap if they forge strong links with employers. However, can they teach all the skills needed when years ago this was the work of the local FE college? Do they have the necessary facilities and teachers? What now is the role of an FE college? Presumably qualifications rather than skills. Choice is confusing.

noblegiraffe · 28/08/2015 19:22

I am wondering how the government's floor targets will apply to this school. It will be interesting when the league tables come out to see how many high/low achievers this school had and what they should have been achieving.

The danger of relieving this type of school of targets is lowering expectations for these children and thus deliberately closing doors instead of doing your best to keep them open.

I don't think it will turn out that these results were reasonable for the cohort, the school sounds like a total shambles and the students could well have done better elsewhere.

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eddiemairswife · 28/08/2015 22:18

We had a 14 to 19 school in a neighbouring borough which opened about 3 years ago. It has now closed after a poor Ofsted. It seems such a shame as it was offering a vocational education which so many non-academic young people need. A similar school is also planned for my LA. Does Ofsted place too much emphasis on academic achievement?

noblegiraffe · 28/08/2015 22:35

If the kids are reasonably bright and they're not getting their English and maths, then no matter how good the vocational element, they are being failed in terms of their education.

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WildStallions · 29/08/2015 08:24

Aabsolutely. But there's no reason at all to assume that anyone in this small handful (25?) of pupils were reasonably bright.

There is a lot to suggest they weren't. IE the fact they left their current school to go to one that specialises in vocational qualifications.

poocatcherchampion · 29/08/2015 08:26

I'm familiar with the school and situation. I used to work with the council and the organisation.

I can't bring myself to say any more.

noblegiraffe · 29/08/2015 09:16

You haven't said anything poocatcher! Were the kids supposed to do better than this?

wild if you read the Ofsted report the suggestion is that the kids left their previous schools for behavioural reasons. I think the vocational aspect was meant to be more engaging. This certainly doesn't mean they were all low ability.

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caroldecker · 29/08/2015 09:22

The core curriculum for GCSE at this school is maths, english and science. They are focussing on vocational qualifications/training, so your benchmark is wrong.
Although your post appears to be a dig at free schools rather than a proper concern about this school.

noblegiraffe · 29/08/2015 09:57

Carol, decent vocational qualifications can count towards the headline figure (2 slots I think). So these kids definitely aren't getting English, Maths, Science and a couple of BTECs.

Actually, I have a good reason to be concerned about this particular school, but in addition given that this school appears to have opened in completely inadequate circumstances, one wonders whether there is any quality control over Free School applications at all.

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