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BTECs starting 2015 - General support thread

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TeenAndTween · 26/08/2015 16:21

Is there anyone else around whose child is starting a BTEC rather than A levels? Should we stay on this board or move to Further Education?

My DD has enrolled for Travel & Tourism.

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TeenAndTween · 08/09/2015 19:17

How did your DD get on today Sugar ?

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SugarPlumTree · 08/09/2015 19:52

Fine thanks T&T. She has her timetable but didn't get asked about an enrichment course. Tomorrow first is a free so she has to go and get assigned to a tutor group and get her photo taken. Media not starting until Thursday, she has double Maths tomorrow which did not fill her with joy, Luckily 2 of her friends have frees tomorrow so she'll have something to do whilst waiting for the bus. The lunchtime one won't work for her.

How is your DD getting on?

TeenAndTween · 08/09/2015 20:16

DD had a trip out today which she enjoyed.

She hasn't got her complete timetable yet, all the BTEC stuff is there, but she is also wanting to attempt AS Spanish which isn't yet on there (and apparently there are clashes Sad ), nor the enrichment.

She is shattered . 3 months off from school, now 1 hour travel each way, plus longer days. Presumably she will get used to it.

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SugarPlumTree · 08/09/2015 20:38

I'm glad the trip was good but that is a pain with thd clashes. DD will be in the same boat as of tomorrow as also has the same amount of travel time. She'll be back over 2 hours later than with school.

I did like the feel of it though, was sitting in reception waiting for a fair time. I was hoping there would be a day she didn't need to go in but there isn't.

TeenAndTween · 08/09/2015 21:04

Timetable now appeared. 1 clash.
DD appears to have a day off on Thursday.

But her enrichment isn't timetabled, and I have a feeling they are last session Monday or Thursday, and Monday is used already. Also she has a half hour singing lesson to be added.

Would be crazy to go in just for enrichment though imo.

On the other hand, if she's in she can work there without asking me for help every five minutes. Plus she will have access to staff.

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SugarPlumTree · 08/09/2015 21:10

That's a pain. It's all going to take s bit of getting used to. Does she really want to do the Enrichment ?

I think DD might have to put job hunting on hold for a bit.

Kez100 · 08/09/2015 21:19

My Ds missed enrichment for that reason. He would have gone in if it hadn't been for the 2x 90 minute daily bus journeys.

hunibuni · 08/09/2015 21:20

D'S is going into his 2nd year of BTEC level 3 in applied science. He did extremely well at GCSE but they couldn't offer him the course that he wanted because wasn't able to sit the subject at GCSE due to a schedule clash (and the school was less than helpful Hmm) He has a minimum of 90 assignments over 2 years and based on last year it's more like 1-2 assignments per week per module Shock It was recommended by the admissions officer for the uni course that he's aiming for and he's loving the practical elements. His workload is nearly double of his friends who stayed in 6th form but he's definitely getting exposure to more elements and it has helped him decide what he wants to do.

SugarPlumTree · 08/09/2015 21:25

Shock 90 mins each way and 90 assignments ? I'm feeling slightly wobbly about how this is going to go and will be very pleased when it is the weekend.

Kez100 · 08/09/2015 21:46

Yep, both of mine had 90 minute journeys each way - although different directions.

He's with a bunch of mates though as our school has no sixth form and about a half goto this college because it's amazing. They have debates and general chit chat. Sometimes they play cards, some sleep. It's not so bad.

SugarPlumTree · 08/09/2015 21:53

Guess it is better if they are in a group. Dad was hoping to sit next to a friend but apparently the bus is crowded.

Kez100 · 08/09/2015 22:17

Yeah same for my DS in the first week of first year, even with mates Onboard, but they soon learned how to work the system and now they all get to sit together as do others.

Hopefully soon all will fall into place. BTEC s are hard work but hopefully a lot of fun too - doing what you love or are interested in without the stress of exams

Kez100 · 08/09/2015 22:22

My DD went by public bus and the closest in age was about 40 years older! She had some interesting conversations - from having to defend her choice of a commercially creative course to a middle aged guy (she made him count all the images he could see as they passed!) and another elderly guy who insisted she should never work or save because the government will always shaft you. Oh then thete was lager man - would tip a can of lager into a travel coffee mug at the bus stop and drink it on way to work.

BestIsWest · 09/09/2015 08:22

DS is delighted as he has Fridays off this year. We live in the same street as the college so he stays in bed until the last minute then grabs some toast on the way out. He does tend to stay there for most of the day between lectures. There's a lot iof socialising and playing cards in the canteen and debating life and politics etc by the sound of it.

thunderbird69 · 09/09/2015 13:04

Thanks to everyone giving info on how the assessments work. DS is not one to ask questions. (He's only just 16, several others in the class are 18, and not very confident around people he doesn't know well) I may have to pester him at first to make sure he understands what he has to do (I think getting him the text book may help too).

tothesideoftheirlives · 09/09/2015 17:30

Also thanks for all the info and links on how assessments work. It's a whole new world to me. DD has enrolled on a BTEC level 3 extended diploma Countryside Management, which she decided she wanted to do after she got her GCSE results and confessed to me that she really couldn't face doing A level exams. DD really wants to do nature conservation in the future and as its an area where practical experience is as important as qualifications BTECs are great. And this one would get her on to a university degree should she really want to go that route.

Unfortunately, the college is in the middle of nowhere. The college runs a subsidised bus in the morning and evening to bring in students from all over the county - if they didn't they would have very few students as public transport is virtually non-existent. But this means the days are long and she will leave the house at 7.15 and get back about 6.30. On the plus side she's only in college three days a week with two days for study and work experience (compulsory for this BTEC).

Lovely to have a thread for BTECs - thanks OP.

Kez100 · 09/09/2015 18:26

totheside a funny story about a college like your DC goes to.

My DD had a friend who was a bit off the rails at school and would storm out of lessons and go home. They left school and went their own ways - my DD to a city art college and her friend to a rural college like your DD.

One day, about a week in, my DD got a text message. "OMFG help me. I've walked out of F college. Now I'm stuck - all I can see is fields"

SugarPlumTree · 09/09/2015 18:41

Grin Kez! DD's college is relatively rural and there are wild ponies wondering around nearby. One girl on a course with friend's son last year got very excited about this and was asking if you could take them for a walk and where you get a lead from.

Friend's DD has just started BTEC countryside management, very similar situation to your DD totheotherside.

Day 1 complete here. No media today so she doesn't yet know how she likes it but has really enjoyed the day. Very very tired though.

TeenAndTween · 09/09/2015 18:52

DD had a full day today, but no homework tonight and no classes tomorrow so she'll do it then (but is going in to see learning support and other bits). She seems happy so far, but v tired. She took an insulated mug to the bus stop today for tea which she said worked well.

( Sugar glad your DD got on OK; totheside 's college sounds just like Sparsholt doesn't it!)

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eatyourveg · 09/09/2015 21:14

I thought it may be Sparsholt too

SugarPlumTree · 10/09/2015 06:09

Sparsholt sprang to mind or Kingston Maurwood. DD wanted a soup thermos so waiting for that to arrive. Also her iPod battery dies after a few mins and she would like to be able to listen to music.

She really was hanging yesterday but I guess they will get used to it, had shower and then a very early night. She does have the option of returning To local sixth form if she doesn't cope with travelling but she really wants this tonworl. I just hope the media lessons are what she hoped for, will find out very soon.

DH flew back from his Dad's funeral yesterday so we are more back to normal here and he can help with the driving to bus stop for rest of the week. I can't wait for the weekend.

calamityjam · 10/09/2015 06:39

Ds started btec l 2 engineering on Tuesday. He is in year 10 and secured a place on the course after applying to and being interviewed by the local college. alongside his GCSE options which he does at school he will go to college Tuesday morning and Thursday afternoon. The college have said if he does well he will have a guaranteed place on the level 3 course in year 12. Even if his GCSES are not quite as expected.

sashh · 10/09/2015 07:19

But ultimately they do tend to be done by the less academic, so something about them must be easier than A levels, mustn't it?

I did both, A Levels were far easier for me. I now teach BTEC, and occasionally A Level. Less academic doesn't mean thick or less able, it means (in the context of GCSE and A Level) less good at passing exams.

Also, how do we/they know what grade they should be aiming at?

Ideally they should aim at D for everything. I try to make assignments as varied as possible so that there is written work but also creative stuff so that everyone has a fair chance.

Some units lend themselves more to practical things so for health and safety I prefer students to identify hazards in a real or simulated situation rather than write an essay.

thunderbird69

You can go on Edexcel/Pearson's website for the unit briefs, these are what we, as teachers, use to write their assignment.

So in Health and Social Care there is a unit on 'Safeguarding Adults' - if you got to the website and look for unit 11 there will be criteria for P,M and D and full descriptors.

P1 is "describe forms of abuse..."
P2 is "Describe indicators that abuse may be happening..."
M1 is "Assess the likely immediate effects of two different forms of abuse ..."
D1 "evaluate the potential long term effects..."

Now I can write a single assignment that covers all those criteria, or several to cover fewer.

How I write the assignment is up to me, and it is easier if I'm writing for second years who I have known for a while.

So if there are some confident class clowns I might get them to make a film simulating abuse in a care home, or hospital. All students have mobile phones so there is less of a problem with hiring tech these days. That would cover P1. If there is someone who really does not want to be filmed then they can write the script or direct.

Once they have filmed the 'abuse' they can then talk about it in an essay or a report incorporating P2, M1 and D1.

For a quieter group then I might get them to design leaflets to be used on a training course to cover P1 and P2 and then a different assignment for P3 and M1 D1.

If I was teaching this unit today we might have a look at the refugees in Calais, Hungary and Greece in the news and discuss whether they are suffering abuse and what you could do setting up a community group to welcome refugees and offer support.

When I'm marking I'm looking for the content to cover the grading criteria. There have been times when I have marked work the student has completed, in their eyes, to Merit which doesn't cover all M criteria but does cover D1 and D2 - in this case the student would need to complete the M criteria but would pass with D (Students are normally allowed to resubmit once).

TeenAndTween · 10/09/2015 08:28

sashh Wonderful helpful post, thank you.

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SugarPlumTree · 10/09/2015 09:37

Sash! that is incredibly helpful, thank you very much.

DD been given the year 2 timetable, great start..