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Mobile phones as a tool in school?

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HSB80 · 29/12/2014 17:37

Hi All,

I'm engaged in a heated debate with my DH about mobile phone usage in secondary schools... I'd love my students to use their phones as diaries, to help organise themselves (with firm boundaries of course!) but DH would rather keep them switched off at the bottom of bags! Just wondering where other people fell on this debate! Happy nearly New-Year!

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lecherslady · 31/12/2014 12:53

Yes my students endlessly take photographs of their work / notes on the board, which they then share to the facebook group and use for revision purposes.

I used to bemused by it all, but I can see how it is helpful.

Quitethewoodsman · 31/12/2014 14:03

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feelingunsupported · 31/12/2014 14:34

We're looking at trying to incorporate some use of phones in the new year. II'm sure I've heard of a website that you can text - I thought that might be good for plenary activities but can't for the life of me remember what it's called! Has anyone heard of it / used it?

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2014 14:53

If you want voting software, the socrative app is brilliant and easy to use. If the kids cant download the student app, they can go through the website. You can set up quizzes or just ask questions verbally and get them to vote true or false or a,b,c,d etc.

snozzlemaid · 31/12/2014 14:58

My dd's school supply all students with an iPad for those purposes.
It's been managed really well and parents' questions and worries have all been answered, in my eyes, satisfactorily.
It's been a massive success.

rabbitstew · 31/12/2014 15:19

noblegiraffe - glad to hear access to school wifi is not the same as access to wifi at home! I get the feeling a lot of schools feel stuck between wanting to use useful technology now available to lots of children, and not being able to stipulate that all children must have it, as it is not remotely affordable for all, nor is it affordable to most schools to purchase and maintain such technology themselves. I think if intelligently used in a classroom it could be great, but would hate its use as a gimmick.

Being entirely honest about it, this technology is NOT cheap - the gadget may be, comparatively, given what it does, but maintaining it, ensuring it is kept up to date, paying network providers, keeping it and its data secure and uncorrupted, dealing with security breaches and physical theft, replacing it on a regular basis as it rapidly becomes obsolete, that is all time consuming, wasteful and expensive - we may be saving on paper (not that I think we really are), but we're not doing any of the other resources on earth much good. Besides which, this austerity government is never going to fund schools becoming more technological in a useful way, it will probably instead allow an ever accelerating division between those who can afford to keep up with technology and those who can't. And of those using the technology, only a tiny proportion have any meaningful understanding of it, yet like idiot lemmings we all embrace it, anyway. Why we all want to link absolutely everything up in a virtual world that then becomes more important to us all than the real world, to the extent that our national security is threatened by it (let alone our personal identities), I'm not entirely sure. But hey - I'm a secret luddite. Grin

Essexmum69 · 31/12/2014 15:30

My major concern would be be child protection issues. Mobiles and cameras are banned in all my DCs schools as they have classmates who must not have any photos of themselves posted over social media sites. So you need to think how you are going to maintain the privicy of any at risk pupils if you allow phones into the classroom.

Quitethewoodsman · 31/12/2014 15:34

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noblegiraffe · 31/12/2014 16:11

I bloody hate mini whiteboards. The distribution is a pain in the arse, kids copy off each other and there is the danger of rude messages being displayed to the rest of the class on the back of the board when they are held up.

But a,b,c,d questions with voting software can be really useful in maths. There's a brilliant website www.diagnosticquestions.com which has some good examples of how to tease out misconceptions using them.

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Rosieposy4 · 31/12/2014 23:41

I teach in a techno school, every student has their own device. They are incredibly useful, we use them all the time to enhance etching and learning. Useful apps include not only only socrative for assessment, but a student planner that has homework online, electronic whiteboards ( no missing pens/wipes), kahoot.it ( fab quiz website that the students love ) and many more. Progress is fab, and engagement is high.

whathaveiforgottentoday · 01/01/2015 15:29

I'm using mobile phones more in lessons. Handy if they need to do a quick calculation using calculator plus photographing h/w etc. The kids use them for revision/ U tube etc. I teach mainly A level and GCSE and would be less likely to use them with KS3.

rabbitstew · 02/01/2015 09:53

I'd love to know how you enhance etching with a mobile phone. Wink

Rosieposy4 · 02/01/2015 09:57

Sorry rabbit, cannot type on these little keyboards at the best of times, and that comment was when under the influence.

TheNewStatesman · 05/01/2015 03:06

I think students should be taking their own notes, not snapping pics to "look at later on" (yeah, right...)

The process of taking notes ("What do I put down?" "What do I leave out?" "Can I consolidate those two points together?" "Oh, I don't need to write that down again--that point already came up earlier..." etc. etc.) actually helps retention and aids understanding of the content.

Also, human beings are social primate animals who have evolved intense interest in people, faces, conversations, food, animals, gossip and social relationships. We have not evolved any particular natural tendency to be interest in the sort of hard, abstract subjects that we have to struggle through in a modern education system. If kids have access to Snapchat, I fear Snapchat will always win, no matter how "engaging" the lesson is.

I think technology can be used in intelligent ways in the classroom, but it's worth bearing in mind that countries that have plastered classrooms in the most digital popcorn over the past 15 years (the UK, US and Sweden) don't seem to have much to show for it in terms of improved academic results. The world's highest performing education systems mostly go quite light on the technology.

lecherslady · 05/01/2015 03:36

Why do you assume the two are mutually exclusive thenewstatesman... Students can and do do both.

As I said before, I do not teach below A level, so my students are older, but they both take pictures of the board and their own notes. Pictures of the board often work as revision cue cards (which research shows not to be worth writing yourself) in addition to notes made. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they work in different stages of the revision process and so are mutually compatible.

My students make great use of technology, and cameras in lessons as and when needed, but at 16+ they're old enough to know how to use a phone sensibly. I'd have no hesitation in correcting them otherwise. And it seems to work well for me. My VA results are consistently in the top 10% of the country, sometimes in top 7%. I get good results too. I'm confident its a tool that aids learning in my classroom.

Aussiemum78 · 05/01/2015 04:15

Dd has an iPad for school. Their resources like spelling lists and homework is either emailed or put on the class Dropbox. They can email the teacher work or concerns. They have apps for maths, time planning, textbooks, ebooks. Their projects are often "create a documentary" things with videos edited themselves. Listening to educational podcasts is also used during "quiet" time.

The wifi is monitored and websites blocked as necessary and the rules strictly enforced (no iPads at break times etc).

Seems to work very well.

nicknamerunout · 05/01/2015 05:53

Just a parent with one yr7 dd. Only read half of the thread. I too would prefer tablets to smartphones. I wish my dd s school would not allow using phones during school lessons and breaks. As someone mentioned you can get a payg smart phone for £50 but you can get a tablet with front and back cameras for about that price too.

PastSellByDate · 10/01/2015 11:11

Hi all:

was bored with Radio4 afternoon play yesterday and found this series of 3 programmes discussing use of APPs/ technology in classrooms - which I think is very relevant:

link to Radio4 Iplayer here: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03w7c6s/episodes/guide

discusses pros/ cons beautifully and I think fairly presents various sides of the arguments.

PSBD

MaryShelley · 15/01/2015 21:31

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